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Happy to share and I'll keep doing so if folks are interested. My main concern for hearing myself is my voice. When I can't hear myself well I tend to push with my voice and then I end up fatigued. I was very happy with how I heard my voice both Friday and Saturday nights with the EON One. I can't say that I was hearing a perfect mix. Before every show I do what I call the "solo-act sound check." I drag my mic and my guitar out as far as my cables will allow and I get everything adjusted (volume and mix-wise) from there. Then I get back to the spot where I will be standing when I'm playing and make sure that I can hear myself the way I want and that it's not too loud. There is definitely an element of trust here! I have to trust what I heard and set up prior to the show. Like I mentioned, when I tried to make adjustments Friday night from where I was playing, it wasn't the right thing to do. But that is true with just about any system. I'm not sure if that helps at all. I'll be able to tell you more as I work my way through my summer schedule. I'm going to use two of the EON Ones this Saturday and see how that goes! Matt |
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Excellent! I look forward to hearing about your adventures with the new-fangled gear!
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Any update on your experience with two units, Matt?
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Hi cotten!
Thanks for the reminder and sorry about the delay! The week got away from me! Two Eon Ones last Saturday worked well! I was under a small pavilion and when I dragged my mic, guitar and Porchboard out directly in the middle, between the two units I thought the sound was a bit echoey, kind of swirling around with the low roof of the pavilion. I then brought my mic and guitar outside of the pavilion on each side and I was very pleased with the sound. No one sits under the pavilion so the sound for the audience would be nice and clear. Some people I know showed up early and they told me it was a bit too loud. So I turned it down and one of the guys went for a walk to see how far the sound traveled. The pavilion faces the street and is maybe 50 feet from the road. He ended up across the street maybe another 30 feet from the road and said you could hear me just fine! I thought it was too loud from my performance position so I moved back a bit so I was slightly behind the units. During the show I wished I could hear my vocals a bit more clearly so I will need to start using my in-ears or figure out a different monitoring solution. I played around with trying one vs two units for a bit. I probably could have cranked one up and covered the space but two allowed me to get more coverage with less volume from each unit. One thing I'm messing with now is taking a left and right out of my mixer into one Eon One. I read this suggestion on another thread about the Fender stick system. It's interesting! Taking the two outs gives me a much more direct sound. With only one out (and no panning on the mixer) the sound has a bit more space and surroundy-ness to it. Even when I pan guitar and vocals hard left and take a left out, the sound is more direct (if that makes any sense) taking the left and right out with the channels panned dead center. I'm not sure if any of that means anything or would ever be useful but it's interesting. Matt |
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Thanks, Matt. For my purposes, I'm still happy with my L1 & T1, but then I don't have your playing schedule. I look forward to trying the EON One when I get a chance. I appreciate your taking time to share your experience here.
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I'm not sure there would be any reason to go with the JBL if you already have the L1/T1. The JBL gives you a faster set up but to get the faster set up you have to lug around a bigger single unit vs several smaller pieces with the Bose. I'd still really like to hear them side by side. Another forum member compared them and he returned the JBL. My guess is that the JBL is a bit more directional than the Bose. I added one more piece to the puzzle: http://www.powerwerks.com/Product/PW4P I played a loud room on Thursday night and I was having a hard time hearing myself. I tried my in-ears and concluded (like I had years and years ago when I bought my first L1) that in-ears don't work well with these "surroundy" type systems. I'm still hearing myself from the system. The in-ears then block any sound I'm getting from the system and basically turn that into background noise. I then need to crank up the ears to try and compete with noise! What I really want is to just add some detail to what I'm hearing from the system. I've always avoided the little hot-spot mic stand monitors. I'm not really sure why but after the show Thursday I decided to track one down. I looked at the Galaxy Audio ones and found a dealer between me and my next show. He didn't have any of the Galaxy models but he had this little Powerwerks one. I read some review and figured it would be worth a stop. It's perfect! It lives on my little table and I took an Aux out of my TouchMix and turned it up just enough to give me the detail I need. I played 4 hours last night without a break and I could have vocally, gone another 4! My show last night was outside and I didn't have the background noise I had on Thursday so I'll have to try it in a loud room to really give it a good test. I never would have considered this little thing had I not tried it. For me, it's probably better than any of the other mini-monitors on the market. The angle allows me to put it on my table where the other ones (from the pictures) I don't think would angle up enough. You can see it on my table here: I should have done this years ago. I don't think I ever would have gotten rid of my Bose! Matt |
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I'm seriously looking at getting this, I sing and play the guitar. I have a friend who plays the flute and she is also looking at the EON One. Thank you so much for sharing your experience here.
I saw one review of the JBL EON One on the Sweetwater site which mentioned the unusable low gain of the inputs 1/2 (in line mode) and 3/4. The reviewer also commented on the reverb being overpowering. Have you experienced these same issues with gain and the reverb? Quote:
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I did try a guitar with an active pickup into channel 2 with Line selected and even with the volume turned all the way up it wasn't loud at all. I ended up selecting Mic and barely brought up the volume at all. I think what happens is that all of these companies desperately want flashy marketing materials and neat sounding tag lines, "one trip into the venue!" "Carry your guitar in one hand and the Eon One in the other!" In order to make these claims of an all in one system they have to have a built in mixer. Instead of doing it right JBL half-assed it and now everyone is disappointed. Yes you can plug a guitar and mic into it and do a show and that is a nice option when you need it but I might rather see them knock a few hundred dollars off the price and have one input for a mixer and one XLR out to connect to another unit and be done with it. That way it would just be a nice sounding system. That's how I'm looking at it and that's how I'm using the system. It's just a compact sub with a top in an easy to haul/set up package that fills an area nicely with sound. There might be times when I plug into the built in mixer but those will be few and far between. Another option would have been more transparency. I'll rewrite their marketing materials for them: "Hey, we know a lot of you have your favorite mixer or preamp and we've made it easy to connect those to the Eon One. For those who want to be more streamlined, we've built in a couple of channels with some basic controls. Nothing fancy but enough to plug a guitar and mic in for those times you want to leave the extra gear at home!" Instead they came out with all that six channel mixer stuff, over promised and under delivered. They have taken the positive focus off of a nicely designed, good sounding system. The reviews will always have a "yes, but." Matt Last edited by open-road-matt; 07-23-2016 at 11:56 AM. |
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Thanks Matt, the One is compelling for the coverage that you've described and the very nice sound. The compact storage of the tower is also nice. The mixer is disappointing.
I do have a small external mixer, but I don't use it unless I'm playing with someone. I use the VoiceLive 3 for pre-amp and effects for vocals and guitar. Do you think plugging the VoiceLive 3 direct into the One would be fine for volume? My friend that play's the flute does not have an external mixer so she will need a small mixer or some type of pre-amp. I had planned to buy the One this week, but now I'm torn. Should I wait and see what Fishman comes out with to replace the SA220, which had a great mixer, but maybe doesn't sound as good or have the same type of coverage as the One OR get the One and and suck up the fact that I will need a pre-amp or mixer. I'm not convinced the SA220 replacement is coming this summer as I've seen nothing form Fishman just internet rumors.
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I spoke to a Fishman rep at Sweetwater's GearFest and he said the new unit should be shipping in about 3 weeks and said it will be a HUGE improvement over the SA220 which I never heard but everyone seems to love.
Another Forum member was able to get more info on this new model. http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/f...d.php?t=437707 I hope that helps. Just out of curiosity, I read a lot of posts where many of you can not accurately tell if your mix is good and too low or loud. Why not invest in a wireless mic and guitar system so you can walk anywhere in venue and hear exactly your sound? That's what I plan on doing as I do not have a vocal mic yet. Plus Line 6 just came out with that inexpensive but super cool wireless guitar system. Forgot name but go to Line 6 website and you will see it. |