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OP- I prefer a dovetail joint. Bolt on necks are good too. |
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Earlier in this thread I described what that experiment would entail. It would not only be difficult to do, it would be expensive to do. The latter part is the most likely reason we're having this debate. I'm sure reaching definitive answers for questions like these would be wonderful to have, but we are where we are for now.
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I like gold fairy dust,but there are those who like theirs silver.
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I find my J-185 sounding quite a lot like the J-185s I listened to in youtube videos, even with the Martin scale (as opposed to the 24.75 scale), the different woods, and the bolt on neck. It had a warm, tubby, vintage kind of sound. I think the biggest contributor to this sound is the fact that the top is built w/ no radius on it, as opposed to most guitars that have a radius (i.e. 28ft). Of course all things affect the sound, but that gets my vote for the biggest contributor. |
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With all the qualifiers you have laid out for a new guitar, how about a kit? Buy one from Stew Mac, come in below budget and have exactly what you want. My $.02
https://www.stewmac.com/kits-and-pro...c-guitar-kits/
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Yes there are great sounding guitars with bolt on necks, but their makers don't say that the neck joint contributes to that tone. The dovetail builders believe that the neck joint is an important part of the sound.
I've never played a Taylor from before they went to the bolt on necks, but people refer to those guitars as the ''golden age'' of Taylor, did the neck joint make a difference? |
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It's not something that enters my mind when I'm auditioning guitars, but both of mine do have dovetails.
I firmly believe that everything affects sound, but there is no way to reasonably say that there is no difference between a dovetailed neck and a bolt on neck - or that there is. How could you tell? Compare one with a dovetail to one without? The only think we know for sure is that you can't make two guitars that sound exactly alike, so how would you know if the difference you hear is the neck joint? I buy the guitar that sound the best and don't worry about it. If you're worried about the price of a neck reset you're simply not paying enough for your guitars.
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Some builders have a lot of empirical knowledge acquired over time. Because of the nature of the beast - particularly dealing with wood which always has variability between pieces and over time - good builders notice what tends to work and what doesn't, and iterates from there. I know builders who tone-tap, even solid body instruments. I know other builders that claim it is snake oil. Can you do a "scientific experiment" to prove one way or another? Maybe (still a lot of variables to control for), but we're back to the final process which is a human plays the instrument and their biases will influence the outcome. Do we ignore science for musical instruments. No. But I certainly thinks slavishly invoking "science" in these conversations is usually just forum noise. The sound that comes from an acoustic guitar is governed by a lot of factors. Really the only question is how much each bit contributes to the overall outcome. And since it remains more archer than arrow, at the end of the day what works for one may not for another - no matter what the "science" says.
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I'm astonished that people can have such strong opinions about neck joints.
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Thank you for your post.
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hello, and welcome to the internet...
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I have the utmost respect for luthiers who cut and join compound dovetails, or reset them. Every fiber of wood removed can affect neck position on three axes. But I have even more respect for the traditional Japanese masters, who could probably cut our dovetail necks blindfolded, with one arm tied behind their back. They build furniture and houses with no nails, no glue.
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