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Depends on the kind of jazz music. There ain't one 'jazz sound.'
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To me Godin sounds a little "airy" and the basses have a "paper" sound...but thats me |
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I guess after hearing many well schooled opinions, especially the last one, the answer I have formed is that first a player needs to discover their music in jazz, and the sound they seek ( challenging without playing several guitars). I am leaning towards a mature Joe Pass at the moment, and would ideally like a more acoustic tonality... My first archtop will have a budget of about what I can trade the Martin in my sig for, and will likely be purchased off ebay sight unseen. The Martin is so good I need to wait till I find something equally good. Fortunately, my plan is to purchase in 2014 so I have time to study up and wait.
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I'd also suggest you save up and wait - and while you're waiting, take a day trip down to the Boston area and get some hands-on experience. I'd strongly recommend the Music Emporium in Lexington - one of the better-known high-end dealers (although not all of their instruments are high-end price-wise), and they usually have a selection of quality archtops (both new and vintage) in stock...
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Please define "better".
And have you owned a 5th Avenue in order to make your statement that other guitars do "it better" ? As mentioned, Sylvain Luc plays a Godin 5th Ave he also plays an inexpensive nylon string mahogany backs and sides guitar. He is highly skilled and very successful... he can afford what he wants and he has chosen Goding Kingpin and 5th Ave and cheap classical. He is a professional.. therefore his guitar choices are professional level. I also own 5th ave and my grandson plays one more than any of his other guitars. He owns very good classicals and an Am Std Tele as well as others.... he favors the 5th Ave. |
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Archtops, generally speaking, do depend on their pickup system and amp to achieve a good sound. That being said, lesser expensive models can be sufficient if the play-ability is good or even just acceptable. If the an archtop is used as an acoustic instrument the cost goes up quite a bit for reasons, I assume, you all know. Basically, if you want the best of both worlds, you gotta pay.
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Yes. It's the musician not the gear, there is some good gear available at moderate prices, and the concept of 'professional grade' is likely unanswerable.
However, if I may offer a respectful alternative view.. If you show up with an SG and Marshall stack you had better be one helluva player or you will be viewed as a clueless noob. Maybe even regardless of how you play. I don't know how $500 Godin's are received in the role of primary instrument but I'm guessing not well. Not the best path to the level of social acceptance that is absolutely necessary for a solid musical education. I recommend a quality instrument that nobody would question except in asking to play it. Specifically a Heritage 575. Like Bern said, you're going to care most about the electric sound though having an acoustic sound above tele levels is nice for practice. If you track the Heritage users forum you can find very good deals with just moderate patience. These are among the most versatile of instruments and you may keep it virtually forever. The instrument will be highly regarded by your peers and if anyone thinks this is not important, they haven't been a youth studying music at college. You should be able to get a nice one for $1500-$1750. You can probably get by fine with a Roland Cube amp.
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As for Luc , he plays exclusively Godin guitars because he has a contract with Godin and maybe its not wise to think that you own the same quality guitar that Luc plays. |
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The first archtops were acoustic and remained so for many decades.
I would suggest there is a very large difference between an archtop guitar and an electric guitar with an archtop. This is not unlike the difference between an acoustic flat-top guitar and a Maton that is , at best, a speaker box with strings and a pickup. I have owned and enjoy electric archtop guitars but do not refer to them as archtops, I refer to them as electric guitars and refer to Teles, Strats and the like as solid body electric. Archtop acoustics, such as those made by Benedetto, Eastman et al with fingerboard mounted floating pickups are archtop guitars ...significantly because the do not have pickups screwed into the top or cavities dug out of the top to accomodate pickups. Last edited by kscobie8; 09-02-2013 at 08:09 AM. Reason: Rule #1 |
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I know a bit about Sylvain Luc. He played Godins years before his association with the company. He plays off the shelf Godins.
"Other guitars in that price range have a more traditional jazz sound ...that means better... better for Jazz!" Please define "traditional jazz sound". To quote Mr. Beaumont: "There ain't one 'jazz sound.' " And please answer my first question.. have you owned a 5th Avenue ? |
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no I don't own a 5th ave or a peerless or a Ibanez PM or a Gibson L5..but I have an opinion ...with your permit ion of course.
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I have followed his career and his playing for many years.
I am also friends with a Godin factory rep of 15 years. He knows Sylvain Luc personally. Please define "traditional jazz sound" ? If you have not owned a 5th Avenue or other archtop guitars, upon what do you base your opinions. It is usual to base opinions on fact and experience. Last edited by kscobie8; 09-02-2013 at 08:12 AM. Reason: Rule #1, don't make it personal |
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I base my opinion to the music I ve heard in my life.. from wes to jimmy hall to joe pass to jimmy Bruno to pat metheny as for Luc his bio says that he is ambassador for Godin Guitars from 1993...hmmm Last edited by kscobie8; 09-02-2013 at 08:11 AM. Reason: edited quote |