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However, it is rumoured that some people still believe that the Earth is flat. I must emphasize that this is not trolling. It is merely an observation that some people prefer to believe things which have no foundation in scientific fact or for which there is no scientific evidence.
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Induction pickups don't have that ability but the wood and construction does, to some degree, influence the way the strings vibrate. That influence may not be as great as some assert but it is enough to be audible in some cases. By audible I mean that the pickups do reproduce the difference in the way the strings vibrate as a function of wood species and guitar construction.
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I understand by your post that what I just said might make very little sense to you, but it's a pretty simple concept. If a string alone were strung taught between two given points, floating in the air with no obstructions, if it were plucked there would be no resonant vibrations, there would be no solid substance to increase the sustain, and there would be no mass to color the tone of the note that was plucked. Attach those same two given points to a block of wood, however, and the vibrations will transfer along the wood as well as the guitar. It's all based on physics, particularly sympathetic resonance. It's easy to become confused, as the fact that the electronic signal is based on a string vibrating in a magnetic field might give someone the tendency to believe that is where all the sound is coming from. What people tend to forget is that even though the sound from the amp is coming directly from the string vibrating in the field, the way the string vibrates is very much dependent upon the wood. Thus, when you change the wood, you change the way the string vibrates, thus changing the sound. Are the sounds VASTLY different? Sometimes, sometimes not. Some people hear the differences better than others. What will say is that it is not possible to get an all maple Telecaster (for example) to sound exactly like a mahogany Telecaster, even with the same exact electronics. Gibson knows a lot about different woods. While they might exaggerate a little bit on how vast the differences are, they are correct that the wood can have a pretty drastic effect on the sound of even electric guitars. (Despite not being as drastic as perhaps an acoustic) TL;DR - When it comes to electric guitars, there are a LOT of variable that will dictate the tone. From the fingers and pick, to the amplifier, speakers, and shape of the room, EVERYTHING has the possibility to shape the tone. Wood, electronics, pickups, wiring, construction...all variables. The wood, however, is the first part of that chain after your fingers/pick, and the wood used will most certainly be a big factor in shaping the tone. EDIT: On a side note, I find it to be extremely surprising that someone who claims to have played and repaired guitars for nearly 50 years is having trouble with the concept. I don't want to come off as insulting, but I'm truly sitting in a slight bit of amazement at this point. Last edited by Chalz; 04-11-2011 at 06:07 PM. |
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If you've been a repairman for 50 years, frankly you should know that. |
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Now if you have any data that proves me wrong I would be happy to consider it. Until then I shall just tweak my tone control a fraction. |
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LOL. My position is firmly rooted in common sense.
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Tap a pickup with a non-ferous object, such as a guitar pic. You will hear the taping clearly through an amp. This proves that magnetic coil pickups are affected by more than just the strings alone. Some older pickups become so microphonic that they have to be re-dipped in hot wax(potting) to stop the squealing that can occur under high gain. I have heard such pickups actually pass the human voice through the amp when spoken into at a very close distance. Finally, go compare a Gibson 335 to a Les Paul. They both have the same pickups, same scale length, and similar hardware. According to your theory they should sound the same....but they don't. Not even close. If that's not close enough, compare a Les Paul Studio model to a Les Paul Standard. The Standard has a maple cap on it's mahogany body, the studio does not. Everything else is the same. You will hear a difference acoustically and amplified. It can only be the wood coming into play. |
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You either are not considering that the body vibration affects how the string vibrates or are denying that the body vibration affects the string. Surely you'll concede that the body's resonant frequencies, if excited, would not not necessarily be insignificant and would affect string vibration in return. Taylor's solid body guitars with replaceable pickups would make it easy to illustrate the extent to which the body's construction and wood species affects amplified tone by eliminating the variable of differences between individual pickups. One has but to try a Taylor Classic then remove its pickup system, place it in a Taylor Standard body and note any tonal difference in the output of the pickups. |
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The days of those who wish to prove something contrary to all empirical evidence actually doing the work are long over. It is now the responsibility of the person defending the facts to prove the facts wrong for the person questioning them. |
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There. Fixed that for you.
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