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Sounds nice, Jim. With solo guitar, my goal is to do almost nothing - get it right going in, which this original track pretty much is. Adjust levels, maybe a touch of mastering-level compression, add reverb. The original recording was quite nice here, so I wouldn't do much to it at all. Your mix adds some clarity, and fixes a few boomy spots, but the one downside is that because it's a lot brighter, the squeaks pop out a lot now. I prefer warm sounding guitars, so I probably wouldn't brighten it that much.
That's another issue with reverb, as well. A bright reverb just adds some "zing" to squeaks and noises. I typically use as transparent a reverb as I can, and if there are squeaks, clicks, etc, I sometimes put an aggressive de-clicker/de-squeaker on the send so the reverb doesn't send the noise zinging around. I'm not especially noticing the reverb in your mix, tho - just a general observation about reverb and noises. So, not having actually tried to mix this track, I think I'd want to simply try to reduce a few of the boomy notes I noticed on a casual listen, add some reverb, and adjust levels, which is pretty close to ideal, since it's a very pleasant raw track to start with.
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Thanks Doug.
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The noise is enough on those mics that I wouldn't choose them if I were going to record Peter. Listening to his other recordings, he's clearly not a overly noisy player so I think much of that noise is the nature of those microphones. The squeaks are loud but squeaks can be volume automated to bring them down to less glaring levels. All the other noise is something he'll have to overcome somehow.
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I auditioned a pair of CM4 mics. They generated too much self noise for my uses, although they did otherwise perform well.
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Peter,
On the raw file I did some equalization. I felt it was somewhat congested in the lower registers. Also added some reverb. If I were to continue I would normally add in a low pass and a high pass filter to the equalization. Also perhaps a volume envelope to deal with the extra loud notes that jump out. http://dcoombsguitar.com/Misc/THX2.wav Picture of the equalization used:
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That was the biggest difference in mixing this track. There was no monophonic track demanding attention. The only track was a polyphonic track that covered a much broader frequency range than most human voices would. It took a few minutes to realize I couldn't treat that guitar track the same way I'd treat a guitar that was backing a vocal. It was some rethinking that I didn't anticipate when I started playing around with the file. My first adjustments weren't quite right, especially when it came to compression. I wound up doing more volume automation than I'd usually do on a guitar track because that's what I'd do for a vocal track. I guess I wound up treating it like a guitar/vocal hybrid of sorts. It's a bit of a different mindset and I felt a little out of my element.
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You mention self noise - at 16db is this considered high? I think Schoeps / Neuman tend to be around 13db - is that correct?
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To be fair to these mics - this piece is without a doubt the noisiest I play in terms of squeak. Even Ed's live version has a fair bit of string noise in it, so it may not be representative. I will post another piece that tends to be quieter for reference purposes later today / tomorrow.
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I like the clarity but (like my original mix) am now hearing the high end emphasis a bit too much - which I didn't hear originally when I did mine but now do.. I am not familiar with a few of those plug ins so will have to look them up now :-)
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New mics - Line Audio CM4
Ok, so a different piece recorded this morning with mics in the same position.
Limited then to a high pass filter and some subtractive EQ (see pic) and then a little room reverb on a bus (Seventh Heaven) I think they sound quieter and warmer with this piece but please let me know your thoughts. IMG_0111.jpg
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Here's a tool some of you might consider: Waves F6 Dynamic EQ with Real Time Analyzer. F6 is a parametric EQ with six bands of EQ plus high and low pass filters. The EQ and response curves are displayed over an RTA display.
The idea here is that you not only have fully parametric bands of EQ with frequency, Q, and gain controls, but you can also watch the RTA for intermittent effects, such as a boom or squeak, and set up those bands with threshold, range, attack, and release, and squash those intermittent effects with compression and/or expansion without changing the overall EQ. And band can do parametric EQ, dynamic EQ, or BOTH. I'm using this quite a bit during COVID where people are recording from home. They may have a room resonance boom that only pops out every so often. I can dial in a band of dynamic EQ tuned to that boom and eliminate only it without thinning out the sound when the boom isn't happening. The EQ curve dynamically changes to show the expansion or compression in action. A couple of tips: If I'm doing this on a voice I can also DeEss the same voice in this plug to save processor overhead. Another tip is to turn off the RTA when you are finished dialing in to save processor overhead. The six bands allow you to handle both the static capsule resonances and the dynamic room effect, usually with bands left over. I've found this thing indispensable for basic repairs. It is amazing the tools that have surfaced in the last couple of years! Bob
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other clip (note spacing and lack of higher frequency notes, etc.)
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The Waves F6 Dynamic EQ with Real Time Analyzer is much like the FabFilter ProQ I used above. The FabFilter ProQ Natural Phase option gives particularly nice results . IMO much worth trying out the demo.
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