UK Bans Petrol, Diesel & Hybrid Cars By 2035

[DenverSteve]

Originally Posted by buddyhu

The new long range version of the Tesla model Y will go 315 miles on a charge.....As to outlawing petrol, diesel, and hybrid car sales in the future: I think it is an intelligent and wise move.

Agreed. However in Mass., for example, that range will get you to Philadelphia from Boston or to Toronto - great drives for sure. Out here in the west that won't get me to Cortez CO - in the same state. Not to mention driving anywhere in Montana, Wyoming, North/South Dakota Arizona....you know, places that still don't have cellular coverage in many places. I have a buddy who drives his Tesla to Michigan but he has to plan meal/charging breaks strategically and plan for a couple of hours break to get the car to 70-80 per cent. I'm looking forward to the time when the Mrs. and I can have one traditional car and one E car for short trips. We could do it now but there's not one that I want that can give me 4-wheel drive and mountain snow capability. It will come. Jeep is getting closer with a couple of hybrid designs but not yet full E.

Additionally that range has to accommodate mountainous terrain which takes more "fuel".

[hat]

Originally Posted by Bill Sims

Does this relate to passenger vehicles only? If its a total ban on diesel fuel what's going to happen to the trucking industry and the ability to supply the market place with every item imaginable? What is going to happen to construction without bulldozers, earth movers, backhoes, etc.? What about aviation fuel?

The trucking industry is already on top of this. I work for a major player in the Truck manufacturing industry, and here we already have an entire EV group with vehicles on the road already. Like it or not, Electricity or alt fuels are the future.

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by DenverSteve

Additionally that range has to accommodate mountainous terrain which takes more "fuel".

A friend of mine was pointing out something that he didn't expect when driving in the Smokey Mountains. Yes, he used a lot of power going up the mountain but regenerated a ton back going down the other side. That's not something we are used to in our petroleum cars.

[HodgdonExtreme]

As an automotive engineer with good credentials and ~15 years experience in the auto industry working for OEMs:

There are significant advantages and disadvantages to electrics. I can not envision, based on existing energy sources and storage mechanisms, how we can replace gas/diesel engines with electric motors anytime soon.

Piston engines and electric motors are almost the same age - both have been engineered and refined to the highest degree reasonably possible - and yet piston engines are considerably more popular for transportation. That's because they *generally* do a better job fulfilling the role that *most* people generally need to be performed by their cars.

I predict UK will scale back this directive. If they don't, I predict there will be lots of miserable people really missing what gas/diesel used to provide for them.

[rokdog49]

What are they going to do with all those toxic batteries when they die?
Even the production of said batteries is prohibited in some places.
Anyway, enjoy what you have while it lasts...or not.

[Tahitijack]

I'm reading Atlas Shrugged, this is very appropriate.

[FrankHudson]

Originally Posted by tbeltrans

So it truly is the end of an era:

[ Oh well, it had to happen sooner or later.

Tony

Well if it's electric cars in the future I wouldn't underestimate the strength of the hot-rodding ethos. I recall my old youth slot car racing. Special magnets. Rewound armatures. Engine swaps. As it stands, a lot of hybrids and pure electrics can achieve high levels of acceleration and so on.

[Jeff Scott]

Originally Posted by FrankHudson

...a lot of hybrids and pure electrics can achieve high levels of acceleration and so on.

Ferrari is on the forefront of this technology.

[BrunoBlack]

No slouches here:

Tesla Model 3
0-60 mph 3.2 seconds
Quarter mile 11.8 seconds

Tesla Model S P100D 'Ludicrous Plus'
0-60 mph 2.3 seconds
Quarter mile 10.5 seconds

[David Eastwood]

Originally Posted by Jeff Scott

Ferrari is on the forefront of this technology.

Tesla's not doing so bad either, in ludicrous mode. But neither are exactly mass market manufacturers.

The electric car market is still waiting for its Model T.

[harpspitfire]

i guess eventually it will be electric or whatever cars over gas- just like digital took over film, its only a matter of time

[imwjl]

It's good to have goals. My city's had great planning and things many thought laughable at about that time interval did happen. At top of the hill near my house you see the wind farm, solar on roofs and a highly used bike/ped corridor. The library, businesses, city parking lots and apartments in view all have charge stations. Some who were very reactionary probably forget that when they boast about the area.

We are hoping for 3 more years at least with one of our cars and looking forward to BEV options that are growing.

It's interesting to look at what's going on with BEV trucks and busses if the topic is interesting to you.

I can't imagine no petrol cars at all with distances and US infrastructure, but BEVs will be great in a lot of places.

[Jeff Scott]

Originally Posted by eatswodo

Tesla's not doing so bad either, in ludicrous mode. But neither are exactly mass market manufacturers.

The electric car market is still waiting for its Model T.

I'm referring to hybrid technology, not electric cars.

[imwjl]

Originally Posted by eatswodo

Tesla's not doing so bad either, in ludicrous mode. But neither are exactly mass market manufacturers.

The electric car market is still waiting for its Model T.

The ID.3 if not the Model 3?

A particular friend's Model 3 purchase made me wonder if it's a changer like Model T or A. This is a guy who always bought simple low cost cars and kept them for a long time who surprised us with his Tesla purchase.

[The Watchman]

Ford and Toyota already committed to phasing out production of gas-powered passenger cars by then. A marketing decision, not by government mandate. The global market is driving demand, not US or UK consumers. Arguments against electric are like those that horse traders made 120 years ago.