The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > General Acoustic Guitar Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #91  
Old 01-18-2020, 05:46 PM
Pitar Pitar is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,072
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JackB1 View Post
Sounds pretty awful plugged in

https://youtu.be/CG14fAzGP8s
I only listened for the first 10Ī seconds and switched it off.

Aside from an ongoing distrust of Piezo, with regard to faithfully delivering the guitar's true sound, internet audio should not be used by any marketing effort.

That said, this guy is using a pick, plugged, and the guitar's sound is completely owned by that Piezo source. In other words, no matter the build, wood species, or qualitative distinction from any other guitar, Piezo levels the field and not in a good way.

If I liked the unplugged sound of the guitar I'd consider it. Otherwise, do not ever attempt to impress me using Piezo.
Reply With Quote
  #92  
Old 01-18-2020, 05:59 PM
frankmcr frankmcr is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,873
Default




Pretty modest presentation for a new product launch. No claims that it makes every other guitar on the planet obsolete.
__________________
Kalamazoo Sport Model
Martin 0-28VS
Danelectro Dano Pro reissue
Fender Robert Cray Strat
Eastwood Astrojet Tenor DLX
Martin 0-18KH
National "Clipper" lap steel
Buckeye Mandolin
Reply With Quote
  #93  
Old 01-18-2020, 06:32 PM
FLRon FLRon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: SW Florida
Posts: 381
Default

I crave the Martin growl and bass thump as much as the next guy. Thatís why I have a Brazilian D-21 from yesteryear. That being said, this new body style and geometry is in no way engineered to sound like a traditional Martin acoustic dread. Makes sense then that it shouldnít be compared to one but should stand on its own merits regardless of whatís on the headstock.

I applaud Martin for going this direction and hope that this begins a new period of innovation in the history of Martin guitars. Personally, Iíd like to see Martin think out of the box like this on a regular basis because with their vast historical knowledge of guitar building, they should be leading the pack in the guitar manufacturing industry in the design and engineering of acoustic guitar technological advances.
__________________
Have a nice day.
Reply With Quote
  #94  
Old 01-18-2020, 07:17 PM
SpruceTop SpruceTop is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rochester, New York
Posts: 8,027
Default

I'm interested for sure--seriously--but maybe next year's updated model will incorporate a turbocharger? At $1899 list price, and street-priced for likely 25% or more less, it's going to get popular real quick but will it remain a darling?
__________________
Larrivee C-03R TE Tommy Emmanuel
Republic Duolian
Emerald X20 (Element VTC)
Epiphone DR-500MCE (Shadow eSonic2)
Huss & Dalton TD-R
Larrivee D-40M Legacy
Martin D-18 (Schatten HFN Artist Plus 2)
Taylor 717e ES2
Taylor 618e ES2
Taylor 614ce ES2
Taylor 356ce ES2
Taylor 322ce ES2
Ovation Elite Plus Contour (OpProStudio)
Yamaha LL-TA TransAcoustic
Reply With Quote
  #95  
Old 01-18-2020, 07:36 PM
DenverSteve's Avatar
DenverSteve DenverSteve is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Denver
Posts: 11,898
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuksan View Post
Is that your interpretation of "fine veneer over an interior core made of solid Khaya"? If so, that makes sense. Have you read something somewhere that explicitly says that the koa veneer is on both sides of the Khaya and is visible on the inside of the guitar as well as the outside? ...
One of the reviews I read leading up to yesterday stated that it was veneered on both sides for appearance. If I can find the review I'll post a link.
Reply With Quote
  #96  
Old 01-18-2020, 09:03 PM
BT55's Avatar
BT55 BT55 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: NY
Posts: 1,483
Default

Although I favor Taylor over Martin (I do own a D18) I find the SC13 a very interesting guitar. Really functional cutaway, interesting neck carve, bolt on neck with a sliding tenon and probably high quality laminate B&S. Itís good to see Martin get outside itís comfort zone and create a modern guitar. If it performs as good as it looks it should have a good customer base.
__________________
Taylor V-Class 814ce, 717e BE WHB, 520ce, 454ce, 420 Cedar\Maple, T5z Classic
Martin D18E Retro
Emerald X20
Rainsong H-OM1000N2
Voyage-Air VAD-04
Custom Les Paul
Hot Rod Deville 410, Fishman Loudbox Performer
Reply With Quote
  #97  
Old 01-18-2020, 10:18 PM
tonyo tonyo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 853
Default

I'm very keen to hear this one and play it. Been more a Taylor fan than a Martin one over the years and have owned 2 Taylors. The veneer doesn't really concern me, with the trouble I've had with splitting of a solid wood back, I'd been thinking of getting a luthier to quote on making me a custom laminate body guitar.

Someone voiced concerns about the shims rattling. That sounds far fetched to me. Taylors have a shim system and they just don't rattle. Good on Martin for trying something new. Would like a satin finish and a wider string width at the bridge.

I've already messaged one of my local Martin dealers to let me know when they have one of these in stock.
Reply With Quote
  #98  
Old 01-18-2020, 10:24 PM
Chriscom's Avatar
Chriscom Chriscom is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Northern Virginia/DC
Posts: 666
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JackB1 View Post
Sounds pretty awful plugged in

https://youtu.be/CG14fAzGP8s
For a guitar at that price point, $1499 on Sweetwater, that is the most hideous amplified sound I have ever heard.
__________________
Martin GPC-28E
Martin GPRS1
Zager ZAD-20
Zager ZAD-50E
Ovation something something 1980s
Epiphone Texan
Les Paul Studio
Reply With Quote
  #99  
Old 01-18-2020, 10:38 PM
Jaden Jaden is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 1,960
Default

From what I can tell from listening to the reviews and considering the construction, this model is a radical departure from the traditional Martin signature tone - expect an open, airy, evenly balanced and much thinner sound more akin to Taylor - just look at the dominance and shape of the lower bout - it will have all the piano-like tone of the Taylor Grand Auditorium which is a proven recipe already accepted and *expected* among younger players coming up the ranks.
Reply With Quote
  #100  
Old 01-18-2020, 11:15 PM
Shuksan Shuksan is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 449
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DenverSteve View Post
One of the reviews I read leading up to yesterday stated that it was veneered on both sides for appearance. If I can find the review I'll post a link.
Thanks for that. In this video, the Martin rep says the koa veneer is on the inside as well as the outside at around 3:45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG14...ature=youtu.be
Reply With Quote
  #101  
Old 01-19-2020, 12:04 AM
tonyo tonyo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 853
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chriscom View Post
For a guitar at that price point, $1499 on Sweetwater, that is the most hideous amplified sound I have ever heard.
Sure sounds pretty bad on that video, other videos I've watched on it sounded a LOT better. I never try to gauge what a guitar sounds like from youtube, always rely on playing it myself.
Reply With Quote
  #102  
Old 01-19-2020, 01:49 AM
pjroberts pjroberts is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Napa Valley
Posts: 2,248
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rev Roy View Post
Iím delighted Martin is innovating like this. I hope they sell a ton of them and draw even more folks into the Martin fold. And if I come across one of these in a shop Iíll probably give it a try just out of curiosity. But so far nothing Iíve seen/heard about this model appeals to me personally...
Drawing more people into the fold is exactly where this is intended, particularly the younger Taylor leaning players who learn and play electric first, with thinner necks and strings. In many ways his leap frogs what Taylor has been doing ó without any Vs:-)

I like 13 fret necks, and with this cut-away and neck shape theyíve really got a unique new shape. Canít wait to try one.
__________________


martin D-28A '37 | D-18 | SCGC H13 | gibson SJ-200
taylor 814ce | 855 | GS Mini H.V. | goodall RP14 | Halcyon SJ

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Reply With Quote
  #103  
Old 01-19-2020, 01:53 AM
MChild62's Avatar
MChild62 MChild62 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Florence, Italy
Posts: 444
Default

I don't think it's fair to view a thin veneer as the same as other "laminates". I have an old Japanese Daion with a solid top of Sitka spruce with a thin veneer of Ovangkol, and for tone and volume (measured in db) it remains a solid top and the veneer is just for looks.

I agree with lowrider and others about the awful quacky plugged in sound of that one video. In contrast, though, on Spoon's video it sounded pretty good to me, and didn't have any of piezo-y quack. Spoon wasn't going direct, but mic'd to a Fishman Artist amp, so probably closer to a playing live sound.
http://onemanz.com/guitar/reviews/ac...martin/sc-13e/
Reply With Quote
  #104  
Old 01-19-2020, 02:26 AM
Acoustic Wolf Acoustic Wolf is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 48
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pitar View Post
I only listened for the first 10Ī seconds and switched it off.

Aside from an ongoing distrust of Piezo, with regard to faithfully delivering the guitar's true sound, internet audio should not be used by any marketing effort.

That said, this guy is using a pick, plugged, and the guitar's sound is completely owned by that Piezo source. In other words, no matter the build, wood species, or qualitative distinction from any other guitar, Piezo levels the field and not in a good way.

If I liked the unplugged sound of the guitar I'd consider it. Otherwise, do not ever attempt to impress me using Piezo.
Well instead of relying on a YouTube video, maybe you should consider the following extract from this established reviewer of Martin guitars:

Quote:
The acoustic tone is very nice, if not entirely what one is used to hearing from traditional Martins. And some may like it more than other Martins. But the major draw is its use as an electrified live performance instrument. It simply excels in this capacity.
http://onemanz.com/guitar/reviews/ac...martin/sc-13e/
Reply With Quote
  #105  
Old 01-19-2020, 08:50 AM
hermithollow hermithollow is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 296
Default

The guitar looks like it is designed with the finger stylist in mind - a market I don't generally think of when I think of Martin guitar. They may be looking to expand their market share.
Laminates can be designed to give good acoustic response or they can be designed to "kill" acoustic response and reduce feed back. If this guitar is designed to allow playing at louder acoustic levels without feed back when plugged in (which was mentioned) then they may prefer laminates and bracing designed to be a little less responsive. Plastic bodied Ovation guitars were popular as amplified acoustic instruments because they didn't suffer the same feedback problems as more responsive instruments.
"Road Series" might be the best placement for this instrument - designed for the musician who plays out plugged in.
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > General Acoustic Guitar Discussion

Thread Tools



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=