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How Does A Build Go Bad?
This question is for you pro luthiers. It concerns a comment made to me by a luthier of about 30 years now who is building me an OM to go with the bearclaw spruce/HOG dread build of his I recently acquired. The dread is over 13 years old and is the finest sonic masterpiece I have ever owned or played in 50 years of playing guitar.
He told me he never knows if a guitar is any good until it's finished and he can play it. At that time, he decides if it goes to the market place or the trash pile. He doesn't really take custom orders, preferring instead to build whatever he wants to, usually it is a dread, parlor, or OM. I can't wrap my head around the idea of entirely building a guitar to then possibly trash it. Is this a common thing in guitar building or is something else going on here? As I said, because of the dread I have I can vouch for the quality he produces by far. Can anyone explain this concept to me? |
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From my own experience, yes, some guitars come out below my standars and yes, I don't sell them. I don't trash them though.
I plan on increasing my success rate by designing 2 or 3 models and sticking to them. It's much easier to build a certain model than an entierly custom one each time. |
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Its never happened to me though I can't speak for others. I have a very good idea what the guitar will sound like by the end of my voicing process. Some of my earliest guitars were less than pleasing [to me] as far as fit and finish but I have never been disappointed in the tone and responsiveness that I have been able to predictably achieve.
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My two handmade guitars are Goodall and Olson. I bought both used due to several issues but mainly the fear they would fall short of my expectations. Buying used allowed me to play the Olson before I laid down the cash. In the Goodall's case I bought it sight unseen but had a good return policy which would not have tied up my dollars. I like the idea of a custom build and agree with Ted that it would turn out fine so I am not saying don't have a custom build done for you. I am happy with both of these guitars and have no regrets.
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I in no way can speak for any of the the luthiers on the AGF, but I do know that John Mayes went through 16 guitars over the years while trying to achieve his new bracing that he uses on his GC's. #17 was what he had been searching for. As for the 16 guitars he built before #17, all went through the band saw and into the firewood pile.
Here is the story by John. Pretty good read. http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/f...ight=mayes+l32
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Well that seems a pure waste of a lot of things. Coulda donated them to a music program, knock his maker signature off and get it into the hands of a kid that would play it. You hear about woods being scarcer and scarcer and then the last thing we need is them being scrapped for less than 'perfect' tone. |
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Build Gone Bad #835: The luthier disappears with your money.
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Of course, I hope that very few end up going this way due to a poor build ! |
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It seems unlikely that in the 30 years the builder has been at it that he could still not have an idea of what the guitar will sound like before it's done. Careful consideration of materials, voicing and deflection testing will definitely put you in the ball park. A little note taking and observation goes a long way and doesn't take very much time...compared to scrapping a whole guitar, especially after a finish has been put on it!
As for John's situation, I've seen pictures on Todd Lunneborg's website of a pile of guitar bodies in the fire pit, too. This is the process for some builders I guess, though I could never do it, it seems wasteful. I'm in the process of making 3 "rims" that I can attach different tops to for such testing. All will have an access block in the tail for an easier time carving braces later, and even under string tension. Should be a fun project. Brad |
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Well, it takes all kinds, but I find it puzzling that a 30 year vet wouldn't know what was coming the whole way down the path to each guitar. I suppose I expect others are more like me that otherwise, but I have my tonal target in mind before I start, and it's a matter of how close to the center of the target my shot is rather than whether I hit the target. I have never made a guitar I wasn't willing to offer, though standards have risen constantly.
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There's no mention of the wood used on John's prototype guitars, so assuming that he was consuming and trashing valuable wood is a bit of a leap. Phil |
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[QUOTE=DaveKell;3273617I was really surprised when he told me he doesn't know if a guitar is any good until he plays it. He had already told me he long ago got to the point where he didn't build a bad guitar. [/QUOTE]
I'd like to know how he reconciles those two statements. What was he a professor of?
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