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Old 09-21-2014, 06:08 AM
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I build guitars for my son who plays predominately blues and roots. So far I've built him a OM curly Maple & Sitka and a OM BR and Adirondack. I'm keen to build him a OM Ziricote and Sinker Redwood because I just love both of these woods from an aesthetic POV. My question is could I expect to get a different tone from such a combination compared to the other guitars I've built so far. Thanks in advance for any advice.
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I believe that would be a beautiful build, both to the eye and to the ear. And it makes sense as a third. Lucky son!
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Old 09-21-2014, 06:39 AM
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If you can't maintain accurate humidity control in your home, where the guitar will reside, then you might want to consider another wood other than Zircote. It can move a lot if given an opportunity outside of 40%-55% RH range.
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Yes, you'll get a different sound, but it'll be closer to the BRW/Adi sound you've already got.
The woods you mention are moving in the direction of subtle nuances, more in the vein of fingerstyle guitars.
Might I suggest mahogany/Sitka if your son really is into roots/blues?
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Yes, Mahogany/Sitka seems like the next logical step to me especially, as Steve said, for bluesy stuff.

I once played a Sinker/Ziricote OM made by Simon Fay. Again, as mentioned above, I thought it was just a wonderful fingerstyle instrument.

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Doesn't get much more bluesy than an all HOG guitar...
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A small "ladder braced" Hog/Adi small body (00-ish) might fit in quite well too?
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A small "ladder braced" Hog/Adi small body (00-ish) might fit in quite well too?
This makes a ton of sense to me.
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Thanks so much everyone, much appreciated. Please excuse my ignorance but HOG?
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Thanks so much everyone, much appreciated. Please excuse my ignorance but HOG?
That is the short form used for Mahogany.
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I build guitars for my son who plays predominately blues and roots. So far I've built him a OM curly Maple & Sitka and a OM BR and Adirondack. I'm keen to build him a OM Ziricote and Sinker Redwood because I just love both of these woods from an aesthetic POV. My question is could I expect to get a different tone from such a combination compared to the other guitars I've built so far. Thanks in advance for any advice.
Ziricote is a beautiful wood and produces great sounds.

For blues and roots, like the other suggestions I'd look towards Mahogany back and sides OM (if that is your son's favourite body shape). 'Normal' Honduran Mahogany doesn't have the most spectacular visual appearance, and if that is important there is Quilted Mahogany, or I would recommend it's close cousin of Pomelle/Quilted Sapele which is visually amazing.

Like Tim McK, I'm in agreement about the ladder bracing.

Collings, via their new brand 'Waterloo' have a new 00 sized guitar that comes in X braced and Ladder braced and there's a good video comparing the two guitars below. I believe the ladder braced produces a 'bluesier' sound than the X braced guitar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs-b...4Wr-_-pwc8YXKA
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That is the short form used for Mahogany.
Its use has its share of detractors and frowner-uponers, however
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Thanks so much everyone, much appreciated. Please excuse my ignorance but HOG?
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I guess one can play blues and roots on any guitar -- but none of my friends who play blues actually care for my redwood/cedar guitars.

That being said, this is going to be your son's third guitar so it wouldn't hurt to have something different. Who knows, this guitar could expand his musical horizons.

Whatever you decide, I think it's really awesome that you build guitars for your son, and I wish you all the best with your upcoming project.
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Yes you'd get a different tone, but I'm not sure if blues/roots would come out of it best.

That combo is usually associated with finger style guitar, lots of shimmer and sustain for longer notes that swell and sustain.

For blues, maybe a shorter more percussive sound might be appropriate. Maybe an all mahogany 13 fret Nick Lucas 00? I know the ones we make tend to have a nice barky kind of midrange punch that would suit that style quite nicely. There's just something about them I really like.
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