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V-Class the full video.
VCLASS full story with Andy and Tony. Looks like it was just posted and is a it over an hour in length.
https://youtu.be/_Hy6dy82l1M
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How to avoid directly answering tough questions: bury the answer in a 1 hour and 17 minute video.
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Finished watching and I appreciate this video. It clears things up in terms of helping me get a better understanding of Andy's mindset. Around 1:12:30 Andy says some things that bring the discussion back down... It's also a reality check, he's a master luthier and his challenge is finding ways to keep Taylor's production cost down and move the needle at the same time... Given the manufacturing processes available to Taylor, he feels he took X-bracing as far as he could and this gives something new to evolve Taylor's concept of what the acoustic guitar should be. Andy is coming from a very focused perspective and I don't think he's being entirely honest with himself about some of the trade offs.
Alamo's Music City has an excellent A-B test video of the X-braced 2017 914ce to V-class braced 914ce. From the comments it seems a lot of players are hearing the same things I am in the V-class braced 914ce, there's some warmth missing there. Although I might not have described it so well, to me this sounded like a mid-range scoop on the V-class models. It's something I noticed right away from open chord strumming that seemed more pronounced when using a capo. It's a sort of thinning of tone. You can have long sustain and volume and a very thin timbre, and unfortunately I think that's the sacrifice.... Don't misunderstand, I think these V-class guitars do sound very good it's just compared with their X-braced Taylor counterparts you can really hear that there is a trade off. Pegheadproduction's put up a video comparing measured sustain decay and interesting enough, they found the X braced 914ce had better sustain than it's V-class braced counterpart. They did find that the K24ce V-class braced had slightly better sustain than the X-class braced K24, but it was very minimal. Interesting enough, in my first hand test I preferred the V-class based K24ce, but if I had to leave the store that day with one of the Taylor guitars tested, it would not have been a V-Class braced Taylor, it would have been the X-braced 914ce.
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Taylors are not rare people need to get over the drama and just try one of these guitars out.
It is really easy to hear the difference, I think some of the online demos are contrived and can be misleading. For example some of them don't play the same exact material on both types of bracing. I want to say Taylor's marketing does this to some extent, and the road show I went to last week they definitely did not do A/B tests of the guitars to show how the exact same material sounded on X vs V. But you can instantly hear the difference in person, and they will happily let you play the guitars, so go play them and decide for yourself. I am kind of holding the opinion the V-braced guitars sound more like a clean electric guitar in some ways. A lot of solid body guitars do not lose volume/sustain/tone as you move up the neck the same way an acoustic does. The V-braced guitar to me sounds like it retains more volume/sustain/tone as you move up the neck compared to an X-braced guitar. Whether that means it 's better for any given piece of music is a way more complex question. I think you can argue it has a different character and whether you like that character is totally opinion. (You could argue it has less character I think, and character can be a good thing.) |
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As much as I try, I just can't listen to Andy Powers talk very long.
His brand of charisma creeps me out. I go by the reasonableness of what people say, not by how impressively and seductively they say it. Clearly he has zillions of followers who take what he says on faith. Me, I need hard evidence to believe things, not fluffy, evasive, feel-good gobbletebgook. Last edited by Tico; 05-21-2018 at 05:14 PM. |
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I haven’t played it yet...and that will be a Make-or-break buying decision....but, as a Martin-only Guy, I am completely enamored of the (Andy Powers) K14ce Builders Edition. It’s not just V-bracing. The ergonomic innovations are superb as is the finish and the attractiveness of a Torrified spruce over a Koa. This is a sensational design. I just hope it sounds as good as it looks. Congrats to Taylor for this gorgeous, innovative design and build.
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I bought the 914ce V-Class a couple of months ago from Ted at LA Guitar Sales. It is an amazing instrument. No regrets... my favorite acoustic of all-time, and I have owned many Martin, Taylor, Gibson, Collings, Cole Clark, Maton and even a Goodall.
There is something magical about the new 914ce. I don't attribute it solely to the bracing, but I do find myself reaching for this Taylor every time I play now. I got caught up in the original marketing hype and all the drama that followed, spending way too much time reading, thinking and analyzing versus just going to play one. But now that I decided to take the plunge, I am so happy I did. ~ Mike Last edited by Mkel12; 05-21-2018 at 06:19 PM. |
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This!!!!!!
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Possibly not. In my experience (I've had several of my Taylors' necks adjusted to suit me perfectly) it's more likely to take about 20 minutes.
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I should add that I've played several V-class braced Taylors now, and I can't say they are quite my sort of thing (for reasons other than intonation and volume), so I don't think I have a bias one way or the other.
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Please keep this thread polite...
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My 000-18GE with an uncompensated saddle intonated fine as far as I could reach up the fingerboard. The scary thing about these guitars is how the notes seemed to have no girth once you went up the neck. It was as if the "substance" was ripped out of them, for lack of a better word. Edit... yeah... I guess when taken in the proverbial out-of-context, that imagery was pretty bad and I didn't catch it LOL! Sorry. Nick Last edited by ntotoro; 05-22-2018 at 07:16 AM. Reason: Graphic imagery |