1:16..1:18, 1:20 can someone break it down for me/us on the types of tuners

[Glennwillow]

I have to say that I have been really appreciating the 18:1 tuners I have on one of my guitars. They're the only ones that don't hurt my fingers to turn. My old Martin D-35 with sealed Grovers from 1967 are the hardest darn things to turn. I think Wade told me they were 13:1.

Wade is a fountain of knowledge!

- Glenn

PS: I have a son-in-law who was raised in Japan. I will write to him and ask him about the Gotoh vs 510.

[Wade Hampton]

Originally Posted by Glennwillow

I have to say that I have been really appreciating the 18:1 tuners I have on one of my guitars. They're the only ones that don't hurt my fingers to turn. My old Martin D-35 with sealed Grovers from 1967 are the hardest darn things to turn. I think Wade told me they were 13:1.

No, not 13 to 1. I don't actually remember weighing in on Grover Rotomatics, but either 12 to 1 or 14 to 1 are more likely.


whm

[Glennwillow]

Originally Posted by Wade Hampton

No, not 13 to 1. I don't actually remember weighing in on Grover Rotomatics, but either 12 to 1 or 14 to 1 are more likely.


whm

Ahhh, OK, 12:1, that I can believe!

Thanks Wade,
Glenn

[Bm7b5]

Originally Posted by enalnitram

(studied Japanese a long time ago)...

I thought ten in japanese was "ju"?

Yes, Ju or Juu

[Wade Hampton]

Okay, I stand corrected on Gotoh meaning "510," then. The manager of Allparts must be misinformed, as well.


whm

[ljguitar]

Originally Posted by Wade Hampton

Okay, I stand corrected on Gotoh meaning "510," then. The manager of Allparts must be misinformed, as well.

Hi Wade…
Well at least you are not misinformed that they are the best tuner bang-for-the-buck in the market, and the smoothest tuners ever.

[BigB]

Thanks All!

[PeterTaylor]

Originally Posted by Wade Hampton

Okay, I stand corrected on Gotoh meaning "510," then. The manager of Allparts must be misinformed, as well.


whm

Gotoh is the name of the owners of the factory!
The founder was Masao Gotoh.
President: Masaki Gotoh.
Director: Takao Gotoh.
General Manager: Itsuko Gotoh.

[Earl49]

Thanks for the clarification Peter, but you did revive a 9-1/2 year old thread. That’s ok..... you added actual information. At least you weren’t responding about a guitar model for something long out of production now.

[PeterTaylor]

Originally Posted by Earl49

Thanks for the clarification Peter, but you did revive a 9-1/2 year old thread. That’s ok..... you added actual information. At least you weren’t responding about a guitar model for something long out of production now.

Actually, I was looking for information about there gear ratio thing and "bumped" into the Gotoh translation thing.

[justonwo]

Anything that isn't banjo tuners makes me happy. I don't love the 10:1 Rickards on my Circa, to be honest, but 16:1 works well enough for me in most circumstances. I've always felt that 21:1 was just a bit too high resolution for me. I can see Wade's point about them being useful on a baritone, though.

[iim7V7IM7]

I think tuner gear ratio preference can be influenced if you play sets in multiple tunings where strings are being adjusted between them.

Higher gear ratios (18-21:1) can result in many turns of a button to achieve it. Myself, I play in standard tuning 99% of the time. There are a few tunes where I drop the low E to D.

I have tuners that are 15:1, 16:1, 18:1 and 21:1 by Gilbert, Gotoh, Rodgers, Robson, Schaller, Schertler and Waverly and all function beautifully. I am much more concerned in how well the posts are supported to resist deflection from the string load and how they minimize backlash. This gets into the nits and grits of how they are engineered which is more difficult to promote than numeric gear ratios.

[David Eastwood]

Originally Posted by Wade Hampton

Well, I don't know, then. That's what the manager at Allparts told me, anyway.

My smarter, brighter son, who is a Japanese major, told me this:

'Go' is indeed 'five' in Japanese.

'Ju' is 'ten' - as in 1,2,3,4, go, 6, 7, 8, 9, ju. But 'toh' also means ten, but as a 'counter' word - as in ten of something. Rather like we use a dozen for 12.

So the relationship to 510 is real, although perhaps more by chance than design.