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I wonder what you'd learn if you put the ToneRiite on the other guitar for an hour and then played it. I keep thinking that the Goodall in question may ask for a slightly different technique which you adapt to unknowlngly.
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I have in the past bought a few guitars that were not really broken in -
they came to me pretty much brand new - their prior owners for some reason didnt bond with them ( i think because they didnt get broken in ) I put in the time - now they shine -one of mine that went threw that was was a Goodall - Yes it does need to be played -all guitars do - You have to be patient -tone rites work ( I own one -waste of money ) playing it is a task but a worthy task -why i think their a waste of money -is becasue , I think a guitar should be played -
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I've never experienced anything close to this before, and I play many guitars |
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The previous owner of the RCJ was a convinced user of the tonerite, he said that normally you reach a point where there is no further improvement, and you can risk changing the guitar in a way you dislike with some instruments. For my RCJ, I think I tried the tonerite previously and noticed no difference, I will try it again |
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Whereas, using it on the TBRD, it's a massive difference |
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Why is it so hard to believe that wood might not sound the same after sitting for an extended period (hours/days/years)? The cellular structure of wood is complex with many different components of varying stiffness/brittleness/viscosity. And let’s not forget _water_, of which a properly humidified instrument has some (not much, but some); and _gravity_, which is pulling all that stuff in one direction while sitting unplayed. Not to mention the _friction_ of all of those things torquing and rubbing against each other while vibrating, causing _heat_ which can lead to further subtle changes to the properties of the various components.
To me it’s no surprise that guitars “wake up”, and that this can vary from one guitar to the next. Very little in this world is completely static and guitars are no exception. |
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I generally thought it was a bonus, that whenever I'd start a playing session that the guitar would start sounding better as time progressed. It is a distinct and noticable phenomenon. One final thought, I also agree there are times when it is "just us" ie perception, as expressed by DCoombs. There always seems to be days when your guitar sounds just plain lousy ... But 9 times out of 10, it's due to sudden high humidity, dead strings, or simply having a bad day. Hopefully those are few and far between, and generally something easily remedied. To the OP, it is probably not your imagination! Can you live with it and do you "love" the instrument otherwise? An hour with a tonerite does seem a bit extreme, perhaps strumming an E chord vigorously for a minute or two could do the trick over time. John
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Both of my classicals (cedar top, spruce to) gets kind of dull if I leave them alone for too long. A couple of hours of playing loosens up the tone (more volume, more sustain, more overtones). The Cedar top seems to be the worst of the two.
All of my violins hate being left unplayed, and will sound stiff and nasally until played in. |
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From Wikipedia: “The Martha Mitchell effect is the process by which a psychiatrist, psychologist, other mental health clinician, or a medical professional, labels the patient's accurate perception of real events as delusional and misdiagnoses accordingly.”
Martha Mitchell was the wife of Attorney General, John Mitchell, during the Watergate era. Her claims about conspiracies and illegal activity in the Nixon administration were thought to be delusional. Everybody said she was crazy, but she was vindicated by history. The lesson is, although a person’s story may seem implausible, it doesn’t mean that it is not true. I have experienced guitars opening up. I have also experienced the sleep and waking up effects being discussed here, especially with my Adirondack-topped 00. Some people have mentioned “warming up”. I believe that, in some cases, warming up might be literal cause of waking up. I have no proof, just anecdotal evidence. My wife and I keep a pretty cool house. That is a reference to temperature, not style. I’m a pretty big guy. It seems that when I get my big 98.6 degree body around that little 00 guitar for a while, it literally warms up and sounds better. I’ve had the same experience playing outside, starting out in the shade, then ending up in the sun. As the sun warms the guitar, it seems to get louder and more responsive. I don’t think this is a “post hoc, ergo propter hoc” (Latin: "after this, therefore because of this") argument. I’d like to hear some expert opinion about the effects of vibration versus temperature waking a guitar up to its potential. . |
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Think about it. After a long day at work and listening to the hustle and bustle of life, your guitar will sound better if you take a half hour or more to decompress and enjoy a few minutes inside a quiet house. My guitars always sound better after dark when the house and life is at its quietest. I also do like the "warming up" argument. I could definitely see a piece of wood vibrating more after it has warmed up through body heat or from being outdoors. Makes sense. |
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I’m not surprised some in the guitar world may not subscribe to ‘warming up’ in the short term and ‘opening up’ in the long term. I spent time reading accounts of new Taylor 717(s) opening up after a few days of play - reads very real to me. On the other hand, I experience on a daily basis the mind-numbing insensitivity that human beings are capable of. I have little doubt that the complex mechanisms of hearing are subject to insensitivity. |
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Since vibrations generate heat, it seems to me as likely--well, more likely really--to "warm up" the guitar as holding it.
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