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10-17-2018, 08:10 AM
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Preamp Opinion ES1.2
Hey guys, I currently have a Taylor 614ce with the ES1.2 system and an Alvarez-Yairi DY-74 with a K&k Pure Mini. I have seen in another post where a Taylor K4 preamp makes the ES sound much better. I have been considering ways to improve the sound of my 614ce plugged with something that will also work with the Pure Mini. I have considered the K&K Pure Preamp since it seems to be highly regarded with the Mini, but IDK if it would improve the ES much? I have also considered replacing the ES1 with a Trinity or upgrading to the ES2? And then I have thought about the K4, which is about 200-250 on the used market, if I can find one, so.....I'm curious if any of you guys have a favorite preamp that works well with each of these systems. Is there any preamp that can help the ES sound more authentic?
FYI....I am a worship leader and always plug direct with a direct box. On Sundays, I use my full pedal board (ART MP Tube pre, 7 band EQ, BOSS AD-2) sounds much better with each, but the Taylor ES has less bass and fullness IMO. On Wednesdays, I sometimes don't carry the full board and just plug direct in our Youth Room.
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10-17-2018, 08:26 AM
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DI where?
Direct sometimes, but do you DI before, after, or both when using the pedalboard?
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10-17-2018, 08:41 AM
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10-17-2018, 03:05 PM
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Preamp Opinion ES1.2
The problem with the ES1 in any version is that the majority of the sound is coming from a magnetic pickup under the high end of the fretboard. Even with filters and so on in the on-board preamp of version 3 the overwhelming character is that of an electric guitar neck pickup when played up the neck. The sensor (or sensors with versions 1 & 2 iirc) gives a degree of acoustic air but not enough in my opinion - and the level is not adjustable.
The other issue with the ES1 is that Taylor gave it a balanced output - it works as a normal unbalanced signal but is noticeably better balanced. Which creates a problem with just about any external preamp as they are mostly designed to have a balanced output but a regular guitar input. As do pedal effects etc... I have no idea what the K4 had that made it so special but I assume it had specific notch filters and eq circuits especially designed for the ES1 and importantly a balanced input. I bought a Tonebone Pz-pre to try to take the magnetic and mid heavy character of the ES but I’ll be honest and admit that in the end I upgraded to ES2! My other acoustics have the Pure Mini and now I can share the eq settings on the Pz-pre without having to worry about major adjustments if switching guitars mid gig.
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#5
10-18-2018, 06:10 AM
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There would be output impedance differences between
the es1 which i assume is relatively low and the kk which is relatively high. So unless you get a pre with adjustable input impedance (felix comes to mind) You may have issues using both guitars into one preamp.
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