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Old 10-18-2018, 04:17 PM
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Yes I have considered the ID22 and now there is a 44 as well. Besides the touted better preamps ....a feature that these two have, that is not available in other interfaces in this price range, is to insert a hard piece into the chain before hitting the DAW. It has In's and outs for two channels.
This really appeals to my old school way of doing things. In the days when we always inserted a compressor before the Tape. Very, very appealing feature for myself. As this is not possible with most other interfaces.
However, the one thing that holds me back on the Audient is that some claim the Audient converters are not up to par with some of the newer interfaces such as Antelope Audio Discrete 4.While with the Antelope you can not insert hard wired compressors..I believe it has the unique ability to insert a plug in compressor before DAW. Yet I like the Audient's simplicity and individual controls and where the Antelope is one knob for everything.
Out of curiosity, has any of you experimented with Tube preamps? Does anyone feel that Tube preamps offer something more with acoustic guitars.
I felt the Audient converters were very detailed when I heard them.

I have some tube pres and some solid state pres. I wouldn't always say one is better than the other. Each one has it's own sound.

I will say my least favorite preamp I've ever used was a TubeTech. Not a cheap piece of gear. When I owned a commercial studio we had a lot of gear. Some I loved, some I hated...and a whole lot of it fell between the two. The TubeTech just had nothing I would want from a tube pre...or even a solid state pre. Just did not like it one bit. Clients liked to see it, so we kept it. It probably paid for itself just by helping close the deal with clients...even though I never touched it during a session.

That said, one of the pieces I loved and have kept all these years is an old JoeMeek VC2 tube pre. Super open and very "big" sounding when you push it. It's my goto vocal pre.

My favorite acoustic guitar pre is, by far, an API.

On another note: if you're looking to insert EQs & compressors before they hit the converters...you're better off with a good channel strip style preamp, or a small console. It gives you greater flexibility to go with an interface based on conversion quality and not worry about it's preamp (or go with a line level interface like a Metric Halo LIO8).

Like everything, this could get complicated & expensive fast.
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For what it's worth, my experience is that of the recording chain aspect, what matters most is the room acoustics and mic placement. Everything else is minor in comparison, even tho there are differences.
If we're being really honest, what matters most is the player. Second, the engineer.

As always: it's the carpenter, not the tools.
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If we're being really honest, what matters most is the player. Second, the engineer.

As always: it's the carpenter, not the tools.
And the preferences and ear of the listener.
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Regarding preamps and individual components I heartily recommend checking out the preamps of the companies I use.

Great River
http://www.greweb.com/mp-2nv.html

NPNG
http://www.npngproducts.com/Page_1.html

Also I use a AD converter made by Mytek
https://mytekdigital.com/professional/


Begins to add up.


Also do some room acoustic treatment.
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Regarding preamps and individual components I heartily recommend checking out the preamps of the companies I use.

Great River
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdS...i7r4f9LVv-yH7w
I use the same Great River preamp as you, but this link doesn't seem to be to anything useful. Maybe something like:

https://www.mixonline.com/recording/...-preamp-376399
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I use the same Great River preamp as you, but this link doesn't seem to be to anything useful. Maybe something like:

https://www.mixonline.com/recording/...-preamp-376399
Changed the link to Great River's website.
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Changed the link to Great River's website.
Among my mic pre collection, I have 4 channels of the original Great River MP series and 1 of the NV series. You can't go wrong with either.
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Among my mic pre collection, I have 4 channels of the original Great River MP series and 1 of the NV series. You can't go wrong with either.
Rick, heard about Great River from you and bought a Great River MP-2H from you a number of years back.
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Since the thread has been moving in the preamp direction for a while I'll also mention that I've found a few models that work really nice for my use and for what I like to hear. My pair of Speck single channel preamps are solid state, very clean, have an adjustable high pass filter, and the output stage can be switched to either the Jensen transformer or a solid state output. I recently picked up a used Gordon; it doesn't have the flexibility in its feature set like the Speck, but it is an extremely clean, transparent, and detailed solid state preamp.
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I think I forgot to mention the Gefell M296 omni with nickel membrane.

Pretty amazing sound on guitar and vocal from that puppy.

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Ty Ford
Your reviews, and critique provided by some members of the AGF forum and another forum, persuaded me to get a pair of M296S. Have to deal with the difficulties of Omni mics in a home recording environment, but they are wonderful for acoustic guitars.
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Rick, heard about Great River from you and bought a Great River MP-2H from you a number of years back.
Glad to hear you are still happy with it.
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There are so many good pres out there. It's all a matter of personal choice & budget.

I like to hear some transformer in my pres...so I tend to lean to the classics: API, Neve, SSL (prefer an E to a G for acoustic)...but those might not be within your budget. When I want super clean I use the pres on my Metric Halo ULN8. They're "Millenia clean", if you know what I mean.

The Daking pres are exceptional. They sound like an old Trident A Series. And they're about $1k cheaper than a comparable API or Neve.

A cheap pre that sounds really good on acoustic guitar is the old ART Pro MPA...but only the ones from when they were being made in NY. They were loosely based on the ADL custom preamps from the late '90s/early 2000s. You can pick one up for under $200. They have "Rochester, NY" stamped on the back of them.

Working in studios most of my life, I have had the benefit of hearing almost everything that has been made and getting hands on experience with them. So I've formed some pretty strong opinions on what I like & don't like.
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There are so many good pres out there. It's all a matter of personal choice & budget.

I like to hear some transformer in my pres...so I tend to lean to the classics: API, Neve, SSL (prefer an E to a G for acoustic)...but those might not be within your budget. When I want super clean I use the pres on my Metric Halo ULN8. They're "Millenia clean", if you know what I mean.

The Daking pres are exceptional. They sound like an old Trident A Series. And they're about $1k cheaper than a comparable API or Neve.

A cheap pre that sounds really good on acoustic guitar is the old ART Pro MPA...but only the ones from when they were being made in NY. They were loosely based on the ADL custom preamps from the late '90s/early 2000s. You can pick one up for under $200. They have "Rochester, NY" stamped on the back of them.

Working in studios most of my life, I have had the benefit of hearing almost everything that has been made and getting hands on experience with them. So I've formed some pretty strong opinions on what I like & don't like.
The FMR Audio RNP is a great little unit. Street price is about $475 for a 2-channel unit. I had a client who swore by them for everything including his old RCA 44BX ribbon.
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There are so many good pres out there. It's all a matter of personal choice & budget.

I like to hear some transformer in my pres...so I tend to lean to the classics: API, Neve, SSL (prefer an E to a G for acoustic)...but those might not be within your budget. When I want super clean I use the pres on my Metric Halo ULN8. They're "Millenia clean", if you know what I mean.

The Daking pres are exceptional. They sound like an old Trident A Series. And they're about $1k cheaper than a comparable API or Neve.

A cheap pre that sounds really good on acoustic guitar is the old ART Pro MPA...but only the ones from when they were being made in NY. They were loosely based on the ADL custom preamps from the late '90s/early 2000s. You can pick one up for under $200. They have "Rochester, NY" stamped on the back of them.

Working in studios most of my life, I have had the benefit of hearing almost everything that has been made and getting hands on experience with them. So I've formed some pretty strong opinions on what I like & don't like.
This is wonderful information...as this is something that I could easily afford and gets me into a the Tube pre to experiment with...Nice to have alternatives.
What about the company that mods the Art? are you
familiar with that.
http://www.reviveaudio.com/index.php...product_id=197
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This is wonderful information...as this is something that I could easily afford and gets me into a the Tube pre to experiment with...Nice to have alternatives.
What about the company that mods the Art? are you
familiar with that.
http://www.reviveaudio.com/index.php...product_id=197
If you're looking for pre recommendations (depending on budget) Besides the excellent ones mentioned so far I would also suggest looking into A Designs as well.
I have their Tube MP2A which in my opinion is an excellent tube pre as it is somewhat the best of both worlds in that is relatively un-colored but still gives that Tube depth and presence. Also A Designs "Pacifica" is highly regarded as an excellent top rated Solid state pre and they make some of the best instrument pre amp DI in the industry. They are also very reasonably priced for boutique class equipment

http://adesignsaudio.com/home
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