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If it is an OM-28A See if you can transfer the savings along to someone else (Like me) I already have a number in mind.
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100% - 10% = 90% 90% - 10% (of the remaining 90%) =81% 81% - 10% (of the remaining 81%) = 72.9% etc. After 10 iterations, about 35% of the peanuts remain in the jar. After 20 iterations, about 12% of the peanuts remain in the jar. It takes about 44 iterations of removing 10% to reach 1% remaining in the jar. So the question then becomes, how many swirls in the finish of a guitar are equal to 10% of the peanuts? I hope the OP and guitar dealer come to a satisfactory compromise. As to me, based on my history, I should always look for guitars that already have a ding since dinging is often my first order of business when they arrive at my home.
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Let's keep the math/philosophy simple. The jar starts with 100 peanuts. Each "trial" and subsequent trial consumes 10 peanuts... back to our regularly scheduled discussions... Last edited by charles Tauber; 01-22-2019 at 12:26 PM. |
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However, your argument rests on the belief that it is unreasonable to expect that someone playing a guitar ("a trial") can return it in the same condition it was prior to trying it. That is, that it isn't possible for someone to try a guitar without damaging it. I have tried many guitars - none through mail order - and returned all of them to their owners without damaging them. Many others have as well. It is, I suggest, reasonable to expect others to do the same. I suggest to you that, short of rare circumstances, those who damage guitars during a trial - which might be simply having your buddy hand you his or her guitar and say, "Try this" - have incurred the damage through carelessness. For example, leaving pick marks in the finish of a guitar top isn't "an accident". While not intentional, the marks are caused by carelessness, not accident. Regardless, none of our opinion matters. What matters is what can be worked out between the OP and the seller. |
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I hope things get worked out here.
As a Reverb.com buyer and seller with 500+ feedbacks, I can relate to what's going on with the the OP and the guitar dealer. One seller's policy starts with: Your purchase not living up to your expectations? No problem. Notice it says purchase and not trial. Usually, in my experience, the cost of shipping both ways discourages buyers ordering for the intention of trying versus buying. I disagree with discussions here that accepting returns with scratches for a full refund is part of doing business as a seller. Personally, as a seller, in this situation, I would work out a "restock fee" with the buyer. As the buyer, as stated in post 44, I created the scratches, I would offer a restock fee to the dealer. Sometimes, like with a speeding tickey fine, you pay your bill, learn from the situation, and move on. I'm wishing for the best and a happy solution. |
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Moral of the story: don't ship peanuts with a two week trial policy unless you expect the consumer to try the peanuts.
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Just one possible scenario, here. THIS IS JUST AN OPINION SO DON'T GET ALL IN A HUFF ABOUT IT, THANKS!
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So given all this information regarding these particular iterations of Martin guitar, wouldn't it be prudent for ANY DEALER to post a notice: THE FINISH ON THESE GUITARS SCRATCHES VERY VERY EASILY. MAKE SURE YOU WEAR ALL COTTON LONG SLEEVES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN STARCHED WHILE GENTLY TRYING IT OUT. ANY INDICATION OF ANY SORT OF SCRATCH OR SWIRL MARK WILL NEGATE THE TERMS OF RETURNS.
Then see how many people actually purchase them.......but of course it would be very, very interesting to see how those same dealers deal with in-store customers, and how they inform potential buyers prior to handing them a tissue paper hazmat suit and kid gloves. HE |
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After all these posts I am starting to incline towards thinking the dealer just shouldn't send guitars that are both high priced and easily marred out on trial. Still no photos though, so all conclusions at this point are based on speculation.
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Guitars should never be shipped anywhere. Too much risk and hassle.
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If that was the case all guitar shops would be out of business and we'd all be flying into places like Nazareth for our new guitars. smh
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And the problem with that is?
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How do you think the guitar shops get them?
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OP back again.
Thanks for the many thoughtful observations in this thread. I wanted to try working things out with the dealer before posting again. I also wanted to see the reported scratches with my own eyes and be able to post photos. The guitar is back with me, and I am now a Charter Member. Will try posting Photos (both the dealer's and mine) in the next day or so, along with answers to questions a lot of you were asking. I'll start a new thread, so it won't take 11 pages to find the photos and post! |