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11-29-2014, 09:44 PM
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Do you record video of your gigs? What do you use?
Wondering about what sorts of cameras you guys use to record gig videos.
I'm thinking something like the Sony HDR MV1 or the Zoom Q4. Thoughts?
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11-29-2014, 11:57 PM
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Taking audio from the board intrigues me, tell me more.
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11-30-2014, 07:35 AM
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Well, the audio is usually the main issue. The ZOOMs are basically field recorders with small condenser arrays, which are quite good for field work but often have issues (as would any external mic-recoding setup) inside a venue. The compact video recorders are a lot better than they use to be, but they often don't have the properties you need. In both cases, the audio and video are co-located.
If you can make a deal with the audio board guy (or if you are running sound), you often have much cleaner audio options. Just the signal going to the mains is often fine, but it would include the equalization for the room. There are often also monitor feeds and headphone feeds that can be used and even optimized if they are not required for the room sound. For a number of years, I used a separate recorders for video and sound, and then merged them. This is a great pain because the clocks are never synced perfectly, so the audio must be stretched by a tiny amount to hold sync. Because both of our cameras will encode the audio on the fly at high quality, all the post processing can be avoided if you can get a good clean audio feed. Good luck. -Tom
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11-30-2014, 08:56 AM
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Dude, you play the hell out of Liza Jane. Great stuff. Are you just being picked up by the stage mics?
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11-30-2014, 11:10 AM
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That was all the stage mics. In both cases they were large diaphragm condenser mics -- sort of the retro rage on bluegrass circles -- so that naturally picks up more crowd noise than SM 58s and SM 57s. Best, -Tom
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11-30-2014, 11:24 AM
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I was so focused on the audio on the zoom clip that I didn't really pay much attention to the video ... until I got to the Sony sample. If that is a quality sample from the zoom, I am not sure why you would ever use it, having the Sony, which blew the doors off the Zoom -- not surprising. The video synch seems pretty good on both -- were they both using board inputs or was the zoom using its own mic?
Thanks for sharing the performances, both were a treat. EDIT: You answered the audio source question now:-) IMO, the Sony is the way to go with board line in available.
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11-30-2014, 01:28 PM
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All the audio was from the board. I think for the ZOOM recording, it recorded its own audio, but that was stripped off and replaced with the recorded board audio. On the Sony example, the video camera did its own audio coding, but using the external audio input.
Just fooling around in my basement, I did try to mix the video from both cameras. It starts with the Sony, and switches back and forth. It should give you an idea of the video quality under good conditions. Remember this are compressed for Internet -- the original video is some better. https://vimeo.com/17101157 On one of the shows, my son-in-law took a few extra pictures with a digital SLR -- Canon TI. I can show you a video with the ZOOM and the a clip from the Canon for part of the same song. I'll upload it and post the two shortly. Best, -Tom
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11-30-2014, 01:44 PM
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I have a Zoom Q3HD and while the sound isn't bad I'm more or less disgusted with the video. For good video I'd definitely recommend a nice camcorder with an external mic (or better yet, use the sound from the board).
While many of us, myself included, place more importance on the audio, the average viewer is immediately turned off by "amateurish" video quality. Here's a recent video I took of my son and his band with the Q3HD. The sound is from the Q3HD mics:
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12-01-2014, 07:19 AM
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I'm liking the Zoom Q4.
Here's a short clip where I ran a mic and the Martin K&K into a Fishman soloamp and came out to a small mixer so I could control the level going into the Q4. The reverb came from the Soloamp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVmGf5KqnpU Regards, Ty Ford PS: Here's my full review of the Q4. http://tyfordaudiovideo.blogspot.com...-and-2496.html
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