2019 the year of the slope shoulder dread?

[ataylor]

Originally Posted by Silly Moustache

Hi, you are correct of course, and they also called early dreads "bass" guitars ... which was just wrong.

Both the Martin dread and the Gibson jumbo were originally conceived as Hawaiian style - Gibson Roy Smeck and the Earlier Martin made Ditson 111, supplied I understand with a nut riser for easy conversion.

Whole load of changes went on in music, demand and guitar designs in between 1929 and 1934.

Yep, and if you can believe it, the guitar world has continued to exist since then with even more changes in demand and guitar designs.

For instance, Gibson made their “super jumbo” design with the SJ-200 in 1937, which was even larger than their initial jumbo design. It later became the J-200, and along with similar body styles from companies like Guild and Taylor, ended up defining what most guitar players and builders refer to as a “jumbo” body style.

Because of the emergence of this larger body style, the vast majority of players and builders — including Gibson and Martin — have since recategorized the Gibson design as a slope-shoulder or round-shoulder dreadnought. Most builders would now refer to the original Ditson-style design as a 12-fret dreadnought, or a 12-fret slope-shoulder dreadnought.

Like I’ve said before, use whatever terminology you want, but when you try to correct people in these types of threads, it’s typically more confusing and distracting than it is helpful.

That and there’s no need for correction in the first place — ‘slope-shoulder dreadnought’ is a perfectly valid classification for the Gibson style that used to be called a jumbo.

[D41Fan]

Don't forget about the new Godin line of acoustics which look slope shouldered to me. New for 2019 at NAMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek21LOaW5dI

[mattwood]

Originally Posted by D41Fan

Don't forget about the new Godin line of acoustics which look slope shouldered to me. New for 2019 at NAMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek21LOaW5dI

Great looking guitars but ugly pickguards!

[Hexarkana]

I prefer the look, feel and tone of long scale, round shoulder dreads. My 2007 Epi MB AJ500MNA is a beast.

Originally Posted by Rmz76

Looks like Guild has put up sound clips.



https://guildguitars.com/g/ds-240-memoir-2/

Great sounding guitar, but the high E string sounds flat to me.

Off-topic, but here's the Memoir parlor video:

[actaylor]

C'mon, Andy! Offer a 12 fret, slot head version of that new slope shoulder!

[nitram]

Makes me glad I bought a J-45 when I did and don't have to confuse myself with all these "but also's."

[Zissou Intern]

Originally Posted by nitram

Makes me glad I bought a J-45 when I did and don't have to confuse myself with all these "but also's."

Until you play a Kopp, and you say, "But, wait a minute!"

[Silly Moustache]

Originally Posted by actaylor

C'mon, Andy! Offer a 12 fret, slot head version of that new slope shoulder!

OK. Here is a dreadnought and a jumbo compared, and contrasted.

[Silly Moustache]

Originally Posted by ataylor

Yep, and if you can believe it, the guitar world has continued to exist since then with even more changes in demand and guitar designs.

For instance, Gibson made their “super jumbo” design with the SJ-200 in 1937, which was even larger than their initial jumbo design. It later became the J-200, and along with similar body styles from companies like Guild and Taylor, ended up defining what most guitar players and builders refer to as a “jumbo” body style.

Because of the emergence of this larger body style, the vast majority of players and builders — including Gibson and Martin — have since recategorized the Gibson design as a slope-shoulder or round-shoulder dreadnought. Most builders would now refer to the original Ditson-style design as a 12-fret dreadnought, or a 12-fret slope-shoulder dreadnought.

Like I’ve said before, use whatever terminology you want, but when you try to correct people in these types of threads, it’s typically more confusing and distracting than it is helpful.

That and there’s no need for correction in the first place — ‘slope-shoulder dreadnought’ is a perfectly valid classification for the Gibson style that used to be called a jumbo.

I think it is a shame that this confusion continues, not only in players but due to ignorance in Marketing.
So:

[nitram]

Originally Posted by Zissou Intern

Until you play a Kopp, and you say, "But, wait a minute!"

Fair enough Zissou, but I see on Reverb that they start, used at ~ $6,000 Cdn. and head quickly north. If you are willing to adopt me and start me on my path towards a Kopp... They do look mighty fine, though.

[The Kid!]

Originally Posted by Zissou Intern

Until you play a Kopp, and you say, "But, wait a minute!"

He's really on my radar along with Fairbanks and Pre-War. I already own a stellar 2016 J-45 Standard, and a 1952 J-45 that sounds phenomenal, but a couple more slope shoulders couldn't hurt...

[Tnfiddler]

Originally Posted by nitram

Makes me glad I bought a J-45 when I did and don't have to confuse myself with all these "but also's."

The Bourgeois SS dreads are pretty killer! I wouldn't categorize them as a but also!!

[DRodgers]

Still digging this after nearly 6 years. My only one at the moment. 20181220_145421.jpg

[DanR]

According to Taylor's website, the new Pacific X17 round shoulder style is not short scale. The spec for the scale length is 25.5".