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Old 09-24-2018, 10:05 AM
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equipment: aer compact/3
2 qsc 10's
redeye twin
402vlz4 mixer

how do i hook all this up for an acoustic duo?
i want to get the reverb from the aer as there is no other way with
the stuff i have. basically want to get the maximum, best quality sound out
of this equipment without having to purchase anything else. thanks.
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Old 09-24-2018, 10:58 AM
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Red eye into the mixer. Mixer into Compact XLR input (non mic setting) and the using Line Out 1/4 - not the DI OUT - to PA or stage DI.

I suspect a mixer with FX would be better as you can employ different levels of FX to each channel.
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Old 09-25-2018, 05:57 AM
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Red eye into the mixer. Mixer into Compact XLR input (non mic setting) and the using Line Out 1/4 - not the DI OUT - to PA or stage DI.

I suspect a mixer with FX would be better as you can employ different levels of FX to each channel.
This... Although not ideal ..will get you what
you ask at no additional cost. If you did get a new mixer
with effects You could use the aer as a monitor.
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:59 AM
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why can't i use the aer as a monitor?
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Old 09-25-2018, 10:23 AM
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I'd get an Allen & Heath Zed 10FX. Better mic pre's, FX, and mid sweeps.

Guitar > red eye > mixer > speaker

AER as a monitor as stated before.

I was so happy when I went from my Mackie VLZ to the Allen & Heath.


If you don't want to buy a new mixer, maybe

guitar > red eye > aer > out of the aer (somehow) > speaker.


Is there a line out on the aer?
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Old 09-25-2018, 10:58 AM
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yes, use the line out to one qsc 10 and then chain them together with a long xlr chord. i only use the mixer so we can have 2 vocals with the effects of the aer.
i've been running the mixer into the aer xlr input, line but was wondering if there's a better way to utilize the equipment? why would i come out of the redeye to the mixer and then into the aer?
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Old 09-25-2018, 02:22 PM
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If you need to use the FX of the AER then your mixer has to go through the AER and then out to your powered speakers. You can still use the AER as a monitor.
The line out of the AER goes to one powered cab and then out of the first powered cab to the second powered cab. Face the AER like a monitor towards you and adjust the volume accordingly.
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Old 10-09-2018, 11:04 PM
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yes, use the line out to one qsc 10 and then chain them together with a long xlr chord. i only use the mixer so we can have 2 vocals with the effects of the aer.
i've been running the mixer into the aer xlr input, line but was wondering if there's a better way to utilize the equipment? why would i come out of the redeye to the mixer and then into the aer?
I would route like this:

Guitar > Red Eye > Mixer > AER / QSC.

Personally, I'd treat the AER like a powered speaker.


If you want the effects from the AER, you could possibly pan just the vocals to the AER to see how that sounds. Might not be the best way to go though, because the QSC would be dry.


However, as DCopper stated:

If you are planning on using the AER as your mixer, will you be close enough to it to make adjustments? It's possible to do that. You could use the AER as a personal monitor / mixer and run out of the AER to the QSC for front of house.

If that's the case, then: Guitar > Red Eye > AER > QSC with the AER being utilized as a mixer and a personal monitor. Try both ways and see which you prefer.

Let us know how it goes.

*A buddy of mine has a Mackie SRM 150 mounted to his mic stand. It's also his mixer which runs to a QSC K12. It's a super easy setup, but I feel like in some situations, it's not nearly enough EQ shaping. Just fixed High,Mid, & Low. No sweeps. No verb.

The AER might work better if there are FX and better EQ control.
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Old 10-09-2018, 11:27 PM
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yes, use the line out to one qsc 10 and then chain them together with a long xlr chord. i only use the mixer so we can have 2 vocals with the effects of the aer.
i've been running the mixer into the aer xlr input, line but was wondering if there's a better way to utilize the equipment? why would i come out of the redeye to the mixer and then into the aer?
Either ditch the mixer and go:
Guitar > Red Eye > AER > QSC with the AER being utilized as a mixer and a personal monitor.

Or use the mixer and go:
Guitar > Red Eye > AER > Mixer> QSC's with the AER being utilized as a mixer and a personal monitor. Try both ways and see which you prefer.

Set the mixer flat to start, and use it as a global EQ for the QSC's if needed. That will differ from room to room. It will also give you left and right XLR outs, so you won't need to daisy chain (although) they will still be mono. It could also allow separate volume control to the QSC's via the panning knob. (Mono source into a stereo board will always be mono.

If you feel like hooking up the mixer, the added global EQ to the QSC's might work nicely. Just be sure to watch your gain staging so that nothing is clipping. There is a lot of headroom on those Mackie mixers, so just keep it from hitting the red, and you're good to go.

Another added benefit of this setup is that you'll have one or two extra XLR channels to use in case anyone sits in. If you use channel 1 or 2, you'll have one extra XLR channel, but if the AER has a strong enough signal, you can use the 3-4 stereo channel via 1/4".

The only drawback is that whoever goes right into the board won't have the benefit of the AER FX. You can however use the mixer aux channel to send a monitor feed back into the AER if it has an open channel. If not, no monitor for the guest musician.

Edit: I didn't realize that mixer was so stripped down. It'll still work, I don't see a pan knob though.

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Old 10-13-2018, 03:50 PM
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Let us know how it all works out!
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