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Old 06-13-2019, 04:31 PM
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Jon - I don't think the frets are glued on. At least, they were not before they switched the fretboard process. Where'd you hear that?

This particular example sounds like the nut is too far from the first fret.
Now you have me curious. Neither of my Emeralds have slotted frets (not that I can see anyway) how else would they stay on without glue? I'm also becoming more curious on how they do the whole process. According to their website the entire guitar, bridge included, is done in one process.
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Old 06-13-2019, 04:41 PM
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When I had my messed up X20 I spoke with Alistair on the phone about it - he said the fingerboard and neck are all carbon fiber and the tangs were set into it. My inference here - it seems they would fret the guitar then do the black polyester coating OVER the frets, which is why there was leftover black gunk in the uneven fret ends on mine. Then the coating would have been removed from the frets during leveling/crowning/polishing. I could be wrong about that. I don't recall hearing anything about glued frets ala Parker.

Kevin told me the same thing about the bridge, which is why the custom bridges are so pricey. He said they mold the guitar as normal, then plane off the normal bridge and build the custom one in place.
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Old 06-13-2019, 05:03 PM
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When I had my messed up X20 I spoke with Alistair on the phone about it - he said the fingerboard and neck are all carbon fiber and the tangs were set into it. My inference here - it seems they would fret the guitar then do the black polyester coating OVER the frets, which is why there was leftover black gunk in the uneven fret ends on mine. Then the coating would have been removed from the frets during leveling/crowning/polishing. I could be wrong about that. I don't recall hearing anything about glued frets ala Parker.

Kevin told me the same thing about the bridge, which is why the custom bridges are so pricey. He said they mold the guitar as normal, then plane off the normal bridge and build the custom one in place.
That's good to know! I know they used to use Parker fretboards at one point. That's more than likely the version Jon had where the frets would've been glued. EvanB pointed out to me in a different thread that they stopped using Parker fretboards for their own design, which is likely what you described. I'm glad I know how they do it cause I thought for sure they were glued.
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Old 06-13-2019, 06:21 PM
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I've only seen glued frets on guitars I would not want. Just saying.
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Old 06-14-2019, 04:16 AM
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I've only seen glued frets on guitars I would not want. Just saying.
Parker Flys were expensive and very durable. Tang fretting in a composite guitar has generally meant that the fingerboard itself is not reinforced with carbon fiber fabric. Not having to cut into that surface opens some possibilities for a better end product. Modern glues are quite amazing.
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I've only seen glued frets on guitars I would not want. Just saying.
From Kevin at Emerald: It’s a conventional stainless steel fret installed into a slot and glued also. We haven't used the old parker style in a few years - last time was possibly 2007
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Old 06-14-2019, 01:17 PM
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Also from Kevin re my recent X10 frets:

"They are slotted with tangs and a epoxy adhesive."
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Old 06-14-2019, 05:14 PM
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My son has a 14 years old Emerald X-10 with the old Parker fretboard, and the frets are stainless steel simply glued to the fretboard without a slot. After many years one fret got unglued, we re-glued it with super glue and it has been OK for a long time so far.
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Old 06-22-2019, 06:11 PM
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First of all welcome to the forum and thanks for sharing your information. I really don't know what to say as it pains me to see people having issues with guitars, especially Emerald to which I have the most utmost respect for. Just gotta wonder how many people are having issues that don't get reported. I just want to reiterate that all of the issues I found with my X20 were pretty well hidden and I basically discovered them one after another (which caused my frustration to grow exponentially). Even though I was well past the return point I still should've contacted support to return the guitar for another one. Their customer service is among the best out there but who wants to send back a brand new guitar half ways across the world when it shouldn't leave the factory in those conditions.

Luckily I was able to work out all the issues myself, even though that was quite time consuming, but the fact remains these type of issues shouldn't exist on any guitar, let alone at this price point. It's pretty obvious they need to get better. I don't know for sure how their assembly line works. To me, my guitar's construction was flawless (luckily) as that's the most trickiest part with a carbon guitar but the little things like nuts, saddles I don't know if they have one guy dedicated to that stuff but whatever way it works they need to get better.

As for you, hard to say, a zero glide nut is supposed to help with intonation up to the 5th fret. However, a properly set up nut should have no issues either. Sounds like for your Anthem system that you could be looking at an uneven saddle slot as well, if your luthier sanded the saddle and made sure it's flat. It's odd that they never noticed anything with the nut though maybe like you said they were a little hesitant since Emerald is unknown to them, but a guitar is a guitar and a nut is a nut. Your pickup shouldn't have string balancing issues when it leaves the factory.

In my opinion since your early into ownership unlike me, and as painful as it will be, I would send it back to Emerald for fixing or replaced for another one. Either that or take it to another luthier, one who will really dive in and find and fix problems, and have Emerald cover the cost (which I'm sure they would).

Hope it all works out in the end for you, be sure to keep us in the loop. I would also like to end this post by saying that I'm very happy with the current condition of my X20, it's a really fun guitar to play, super comfy, tonally and visually awesome and my main go to guitar for taking outside the house.
Thanks for your detailed reply. I'm guessing that sending it back will probably be what I end up doing. The only custom work I had done to it was a trinity knot for the twelfth fret marker. I don't think that that would be a cause for the intonation issues I'm having. But, we'll see. I'll keep you posted as the process continues in the next couple of months. Thanks again!
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:09 AM
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Thanks for your detailed reply. I'm guessing that sending it back will probably be what I end up doing. The only custom work I had done to it was a trinity knot for the twelfth fret marker. I don't think that that would be a cause for the intonation issues I'm having. But, we'll see. I'll keep you posted as the process continues in the next couple of months. Thanks again!
No problem and I agree sending it back is the right thing to do. Emeralds customer service is simply amazing. I'm sure they will fix everything up for you. It does suck that you'll be without the guitar for a bit but should be worth it in the end. Keep us posted on how it works out.
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