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Old 09-30-2012, 07:20 PM
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I'd try the Anthem, no reason it can't fill the role. You just record it to an additional track, and blend to taste. You may not need much of it to add some punch.
This will obviously be learned through experimentation which I plan on doing BUT do you think I would be better off using the under saddle or mic?

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To be honest...I think the sound I'm going for is just the Trinity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaxgAQGRtQ8 Hopefully I can replicate that with the Anthem!

At the same time, this is as close to an identical set up as one can get: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkPXy...hannel&list=UL
Aside from the crazy reverb, I'd be happy with that.
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:36 PM
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This will obviously be learned through experimentation which I plan on doing BUT do you think I would be better off using the under saddle or mic?
You mean the full TruMic position, or just the UST? Hard to say. I'd start with the full blend, it will be the least quacky. You may very well end up rolling a lot of the highs off the pickup. I think it's mostly how these guys get that big low end.

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I don't really hear much pickup there, maybe on the bass notes. That just sounds like condenser mics to me.
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You mean the full TruMic position, or just the UST? Hard to say. I'd start with the full blend, it will be the least quacky. You may very well end up rolling a lot of the highs off the pickup. I think it's mostly how these guys get that big low end.



I don't really hear much pickup there, maybe on the bass notes. That just sounds like condenser mics to me.

You mean for the antoine dufour cover video? The only gear he has listed is the K&K, though of course that doesn't mean a whole lot. I also can't tell if it sounds remarkably like Antoine because of the style or a similar set up. I'll work on touching up a few of his pieces.
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You mean for the antoine dufour cover video? The only gear he has listed is the K&K, though of course that doesn't mean a whole lot. I also can't tell if it sounds remarkably like Antoine because of the style or a similar set up. I'll work on touching up a few of his pieces.
if you look down in the comments, he says:

"it's not the pure pickup sound. i also recorded with a condenser mic. Nevertheless K&K Pickups sound great."

No pickup sounds like that alone
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if you look down in the comments, he says:

"it's not the pure pickup sound. i also recorded with a condenser mic. Nevertheless K&K Pickups sound great."

No pickup sounds like that alone
Ah good find! I tried again, with the anthem.

My mix: https://soundcloud.com/fichtezc/big-test-ii

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Ah good find! I tried again, with the anthem.

My mix: https://soundcloud.com/fichtezc/big-test-ii

and tracks: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vowc34vsbnguuk9/kg9ZvK2RLe
Better, tho not as huge as Antoine :-) What tune is this?
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Better, tho not as huge as Antoine :-) What tune is this?
Working on it haha. I had the mics as close as I could get them without accidentally hitting them. Unfortunately I had to roll some of the low end out of the mic because it really clashed with the anthem. Maybe I'll try to roll out less. Not sure. I would assume part of that largeness has to come from, well, having a larger guitar. My Taylor is petite, thin and lacks any sort of low end.

I also used an XY pattern, which as you know isn't as wide as a spaces pair. I haven't been able to get my mics in phase today though.


And I was just improvising in open Dm.
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I had the mics as close as I could get them without accidentally hitting them.... also used an XY pattern.....I haven't been able to get my mics in phase today though.
I would think that this would be in phase?
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OK, got it. Really nice stuff from him.

He has a great sounding guitar. He's playing in at least one open tuning on his pieces, which can definitely make things sound "bigger." Because the low notes sound below open E and A, the span of notes sound noticeably wider than standard tuning. These make it sound bigger.

Does that resonate with you?

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I would think that this would be in phase?
I always used a spaced pair, I can't stand the way XY sounds. I used it because I was tired of not being able to get my mics in phase as a spaced pair. you're correct

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OK, got it. Really nice stuff from him.

He has a great sounding guitar. He's playing in at least one open tuning on his pieces, which can definitely make things sound "bigger." Because the low notes sound below open E and A, the span of notes sound noticeably wider than standard tuning. These make it sound bigger.

Does that resonate with you?

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I haven't used a steel string guitar in standard tuning for a long, long time. DADGAD is my standard but I'm often in open C or a few other tunings I borrowed from Dufour like DAEG#AE or A#ADFGD. I don't think that's the problem, though everyone thinks i'm playing in standard so maybe my open tuning playing need work. In fact, I went back and checked, everything I've posted in here has been in some variant of open D.
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I've got two more for ya. I stopped looking at the correlation meter and just used my ears. I set each mic so it sounded good on it's own, then tweaked them so they worked in mono as a pair. After the recording I spread them in stereo.

I have a version with the LR Baggs Anthem and one without. I used a bricasti reverb impulse.

https://soundcloud.com/fichtezc/autumn-roads-no-pickup
https://soundcloud.com/fichtezc/autumn-roads-pickup

I guess soundcloud's player is still kind of weird, they sound a bit different uploaded than they do on my computer. I uploaded them as WAVs and made them available for download however.
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Liked the no pickup one best. That's a nice sound for such an inexpensive mic: clean, and crisp but not harsh.
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Liked the no pickup one best. That's a nice sound for such an inexpensive mic: clean, and crisp but not harsh.
Yeah, for the first time in a long, long time I really like the sound I'm getting. Thanks to all the people who pushed me towards the Oktavas. ...now improve my pres/converters.
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Got another one for you:

https://soundcloud.com/fichtezc/acou...o-ii-final-mix
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