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03-15-2021, 12:22 PM
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Martin Carthy's Scarborough Fair Tab
Anyone help with tab for Martin Carthy's fantastic version of this tune? Thanks
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03-16-2021, 07:26 AM
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(I guess you know the Paul Simon/Dylan story?)
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03-16-2021, 11:33 AM
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Thanks Jon, just PM'd you with my email address. No, I don't actually know the Paul Simon/Dylan story.
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03-16-2021, 12:50 PM
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I hope this is okay, but I also PM'd you. That's one of my favorites, I would love to learn this piece.
Also hoping you'll share the Simon/Dylan story! 
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03-16-2021, 06:18 PM
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In the winter of 1962/3, Dylan visited the UK to act a bit part in a TV drama. He naturally visited the London folk clubs, and saw Martin Carthy, who was then playing this arrangement (although it didn't appear on record until 1965).
Dylan based Girl From the Country on the song, and opened his version of it on Freewheelin' with Carthy's distinctive chord - just putting an E bass under it. Paul Simon was also in London around that time, and based his version more closely on Carthy's arrangement. He also used Carthy's chord, but added another to make a 2-chord vamp. Carthy's chord: x-0-4-0-3-0. (Dylan had E on the bottom.) There's a whole series of Carthy talking about Dylan on youtube - fascinating stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqM_...VNv1uBxjuWOCp3 - really worth watching every episode, beautifully told by a beautiful man. Very revealing on how deeply Dylan was influenced by English folk songs in general. Here's Carthy himself in 1963 (different song): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I77MooeGMxI
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03-17-2021, 01:08 AM
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Thanks for sharing, both the story and the tab!
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03-17-2021, 10:31 AM
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03-17-2021, 11:16 AM
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Apparently Martin Carthy's publisher copyrighted it first and that's where a share of the money from S &G's version went, Carthy didn't realise he had signed away rights to royalities from the arrangement, but if Paul Simon changed the arrangement I don't understand what the fuss was about, it's not like Carthy wrote the song , he took the melody from a book.
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03-17-2021, 06:18 PM
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I wasn't aware of the whole copyright story - in fact it seems Simon and Carthy were both ripped off: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...r-deal-1986450 Serves Simon right for thinking he could own a folk song in the first place, of course. This is a great book on the murky history of song "ownership" and theft: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Its-One-Mon.../dp/1472111907
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03-18-2021, 05:29 AM
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03-18-2021, 08:41 AM
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03-18-2021, 10:46 AM
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For me, Carthy's playing became far more interesting once he hit upon CGCDGA, at which point he crossed into "genius" territory.
A true innovator and an inspiration to all, not least the fact that he is still playing and singing aged 79 (pandemic permitting). It's a small pity he focusses so much on songs, as I've loved his iconoclastic interpretations of various traditional tunes for decades. His unaccompanied guitar playing is astonishing in its inventinveness and he has a propulsive right hand like no other (indeed, so said Michael Hedges). I've seen him live more times than I can remember and hope to see him a few more. Last time was on the Cutty Sark with John Kirkpatrick a little while back. Great venue! I did own a couple of Martin 000-18MC Martin Carthy models but, alas, didn't gain his fretboard abilities overnight. Cheers, Steve
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03-18-2021, 01:15 PM
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JonPR, that was a terrific session series with Martin Carthy talking early Dylan on YouTube. Watched the whole thing, and enjoyed that the vids seamlessly sequenced like that. And the 2010 article from the Yorkshire publication was great to read.
Thanks much for sharing/posting these quality feeds.
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03-19-2021, 08:06 AM
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He has a well-deserved MBE - although I suspect he would want to distance himself from the dubious historical tang of "British Empire" attached. If you haven't seen them already, you'll also enjoy these two: Rare indeed to find so much effortless and modest erudition on YouTube! Oh look, here's more! Don't know how I managed to miss this one first time....
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03-19-2021, 08:48 PM
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Thanks for posting these additional videos, which I had not seen. I now get a better sense of what you mean about the character of the man. He's the real genuine article, and doesn't seem like the type who would suffer fools or fakes for very long. Yet, he would probably be too nice to point it out. That's one good thing about the modern internet. It gives the young generation (and us) a much better chance to learn about an impactful person they might not have otherwise known much about.
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Best regards, Andre Golf is pretty simple. It's just not that easy. - Paul Azinger "It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so." – Mark Twain http://www.youtube.com/user/Gitfiddlemann
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