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The Sable has a small body, but without the armrest it's not quite as comfortable as the X20. BUT, the neck is perfect and the sound is much richer. It became an easy choice for me. I do a lot of fingerpicking and a lot of flat picking. Maybe 50/50. Last edited by DavidE; 08-02-2021 at 09:43 PM. |
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The neck on the X20 is flat in the back and very D shaped at the sides. I found it uncomfortable. All the more reason to see if you can find some locals with these guitars so you can play them before buying. My Sables both came with hardshell cases. The gig bag thing is new, so if you want a hardshell just call around and find a dealer with one that's been sitting unsold for awhile. My X20 came with a gig bag that I traded with someone else on the AGF for his Hiscox case (plus money to him). I do tend to gig with gigbags, but I have a Monocase that's fantastic and better than my Reunion Blues acoustic case. I do agree that the Sable sounds more like a wood guitar. They're both excellent, but quite different. Good luck! |
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Had a Sable. Lovely instrument, but not as loud as I wanted, and somewhat heavy. My choice, though not an option you listed, would be the X30. Lots of volume, a little bass-heavy (but I adjusted with lighter strings) and really rich tone. Really a wonderful instrument. I also have a Rainsong H-OM that I love, as well.
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Lots of comments saying the Sable sounds more like wood. Any wood in particular? Mahogany, rosewood? Does anyone find it sounds like a particular wooden model? I know, every specific guitar sounds a bit different than any other guitar, but a D28 sounds different from a D18 in fairly consistent ways, an OM28 sounds different than an 000-18, etc. Any similarities to any specific models?
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They’re all guitars.
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OK, but some folks in this thread are making the assertion that the Sable sounds more like a wood guitar than the X20. I had an X20 - I know what that sounded like (at least the one I had). I've never played a Sable and I'm looking for a frame of reference. If it sounds like a wood guitar, since most wood guitars have their own sound, I'm wondering if it sounds like any wood guitar in particular. I can't tell you what a "wood guitar" sounds like. I also can't tell you what a D28 sounds like, but I know fundamentally what a D28 sounds like, given that all of them will sound slightly different / unique. I know what an 000-18 sounds like too and an 000-28. If a Sable sounds more or less like a specific wooden guitar, that could be useful information.
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I'm sure we all have different ideas of which wood a Sable sounds like....I always thought that when someone said it sounds like a wood guitar they meant (or I meant) that the tone is balanced across the strings and the guitar has a nice mellow resonance like a good wood guitar. But I'll bite, to me my Sable most closely resembles a Mahogany guitar. Sweet, mellow and resonant.
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Hi Ray, that’s a really excellent question!
I suppose the most intuitive answer is “like a McPherson Camrielle” and I’ve seen other threads where people on the forum have made that assertion but I’ve never played a McPherson Camrielle so can’t personally vouch that it’s true. And even if it is true, there are not a lot of Camrielle’s in circulation so that probably isn’t a useful reference point for you. So I’ll instead say that, to my ears, the Sable sounds like a good OM. Which makes sense because the body dimensions are very close to an OM. 4” deep, 15” lower bout. Length is slightly longer than a Martin OM if I recall. It’s a 25.5” scale, so when set up with medium strings it’s got that snap too. What brand of OM, and whether a Hog or Rosewood back, or what top of spruce and top wood, will leave those opinions to somebody with more refined ears. |
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Someone here already made a video. You may reference and have a check. I do find it very useful thought I have none of the above two CF guitars.
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I have two Martins in the 00 / 000 size, one with adirondak over mahogany, the other with sitka over rosewood. I love 'em both, but they're VERY different sounding guitars to me. The rosewood guitar sounds like what it is, a smaller, less bass prominent version of the D28 I grew up playing. The mahogany based guitar sounds so much drier and funkier, much less lush than the rosewood guitar. I'm being tormented by humidity again at the moment (high, not low, and I find high harder to deal with), which always makes a young man's mind turn toward carbon fiber. Well, I'm not a young man, but it happens anyway. And the Sable is really intriguing because of it's soft-V neck (part of the reason I own the two Martins I do is because they both have Mod-V necks) and because of the comments I've heard of it being the "woodiest" sounding of carbon fiber guitars. Which is why I asked the question of WHICH "woodiest" sound. So this is helpful. But I honestly can't see buying one because I don't want a third acoustic so it would have to replace one of what I have and I don't think I could stand to part with either of them. If I got a lot of input that it sounded much like a rosewood guitar or it sounded much like a mahogany guitar (either with a spruce top), there's an outside chance it could replace one of what I've got. But it sounds like it would be a third voice, maybe a hybrid of the two I've got in some ways. And I don't see adding a third one happening, for financial, space, and mental space reasons. But I still hope to get to play one someday... Thanks for all of the input... -Ray
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Hi Ray,
I’ve been thinking about your question some more today. So I spent a few minutes playing my Sable back-to-back against the two wood guitars in my house. Here are my notes for you. Caveat is that this is listening from the player’s position. I’m the only player in my household so I wasn’t able to listen from the audience’s position. Both of the wood guitars in my house right now are Seagulls. Competent and workmanlike, good sounding and well set up. But not high end by any stretch. Guitar One is an all-mahogany dread. Guitar Two is a mini jumbo with a Sitka top (and maple laminate sides, with that special sauce Seagull laminate formula). Both upgraded from tusq to bone saddles. Both with medium gage strings (and the Sable also with medium gage strings). Obviously both of those are bigger than the Sable so slightly stronger bass. To be expected based on the body shape, and not a result of the wood. In terms of trebles, my Sitka-topped guitar has the typical strong trebles you get with a full-scale Sitka-topped guitar. The Sable’s trebles are slightly rolled off vs. the guitar with Sitka. Some might say “hey maple is bright” but on this particular spruce-and-maple guitar, the effect of the maple is not so much bright, as clear and dry, so I think it’s a reasonable comparison. The hogtop dread not surprisingly has softer trebles compared to the Sitka guitar. So I can see why other posters said that the Sable reminds them of a hog-topped guitar. However, there are other aspects of the tonal profile on the Sable that don’t sound like a hog-top at all. The Sable has tremendous sustain, whereas my hog top (and the majority of the hog tops I’ve tried) have a little weaker sustain. Additionally, my hogtop has that “furry and fuzzy and funky” thing going on in the bass register, which seems quite typical on hog tops. In fact, it’s part of the reason I bought that particular guitar, it’s a very distinctive sound. The Sable doesn’t have that at all. So if a hogtop and a Sitka top are points on a spectrum, the Sable sits somewhere between the two. To my ears, closer to Sitka than mahogany top because it’s a “cleaner” tone and because of the sustain. But a little less treble zing than Sitka. I don’t currently have a cedar topped guitar in my inventory, but from memory, I wonder if maybe the Sable’s profile is a little closer to cedar? I recall cedar having a little less treble zing than Sitka. Or maybe redwood? I’ve not had the opportunity to play redwood but I understand it is similar to cedar but can be played harder before zonking out. The cedar guitar I owned left the house because of that zonk-out effect. Whereas the Sable can take being played hard very well. It compresses a bit, and gets loud, but it doesn’t zonk out. Hope those notes are helpful. |
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Road Trip! Pack up your two Martins and take a trip to the nearest dealer that has a Sable in stock. A/B/C... what would happen if, like some of us, you find you like that carbon fiber guitar's sound even more than the two Martins, but it still sounds different from either of those??? Yes, it can happen.
Then what would you do? (needs to be said in a Keith Morrison voice)
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