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Again I don't use Reaper but I did try the free version a few years ago but do not remember the exact method, BUT,,,,,being a visual learner I found Kenny Gioia's extensive free video's on Reaper very informative. And I am guessing Reaper can facilitate it and I would think Gioia would have a video on volume automation ? What the technique basically involves Is: 1 # first get the mix volume where you want it for most of track before you try to deal with the problem spots, so you deal with bad notes only with automation volume changes .... And you won't have have to keep going back and forth adjusting the volume for the rest of track #2 listening and deciding what may need to be raised or lowered #3 in the edit window zooming on on that section of the waveform with the issue (visually is either a tall transient in the wave form or an obvious contracted (shorter vertically) section. #4 highlighting the section with the issue and using what amounts to a cut/separation in the timeline for just that section or just the volume lane line for the track, and then there should be some way to change the level for just that portion of the waveform (with out effecting the rest of the entire track). What doing this does is, puts the track into volume automation. (note that once you do this) if you later decide to make a change in the entire tracks volume,,, you will have to make that change by changing it the volume automation lane or section,, because if try to just move the tracks fader on mixer channel like when there is no automation ,,,, it will simply revert to back what the last automation volume level was. (at least that is how Pro Tools works with automation)
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Ok relating to my post above here is a K Gioia video that demonstrates how to do volume automation in Reaper... I would suggest using the method he sets up in Reaper with the custom "actions" as it will make doing volume automation a very quick and easy task.
On an aside note the video clearly shows the difference of using Reaper compared to other DAWS ::: In Reaper it involves the user having to create custom actions and assigning keyboard shortcuts to get Reaper functioning like other DAWs do automatically (which I guess has both plus'es and minus'es ) .. But Once set up, it will be just a couple custom keystrokes to facilitate
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For any interested . Rather than distract this thread any more I just posted a quick "down an dirty" Video on Automation work flow in a new thread here. https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/...d.php?t=604782
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What that does is more accurately effect only the selected note/s, and not any adjacent notes that you don't want to effect, so nothing gets weird regardless of how busy the tune is (unless of course you overdo the corrections ) and like a car on snow/ice you could end up in the ditch
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That's one of the big challenges with any massaging of solo guitar. It's often the same issue with edits. You think you're splicing between two notes, but some other note that's ringing out in either the original and/or the edit makes the edit obvious. Sometimes these techniques work, sometimes they don't... You get away with a lot more in a band mix, but naked solo guitar, it's hard to hide all the evidence of manipulation of any kind.
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So I am wondering if there might not be two more contributing factors (or simply stated another way) to this idea of being more noticeable in a solo recording concept. #1 That in a solo recording that the listener would naturally be more focused on the specific nuance's in the technique of the player. Given that is what really makes of breaks the solo performance. As opposed to say the listeners focus being split on a song with a guitar and vocal and being focused as much or more on the meaning of the lyrics..... Or say in multi instrumental, on the overall feel of the combination, or the sum of the parts, as opposed to the individual parts ? #2 The fact that often we all, as the artists/recordists, tend notice very slight performance mistakes or anomalies, that may go overlooked by the listing audience even in a solo ?
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The guitar being a polyphonic instrument it is a common situation that there are other notes (usually notes played earlier in time that are on their way to fading out) that are ringing right along with the target note you are trying to change the volume of. Change the volume of the target note and you change the volume of the other notes. Than can sound noticeably strange to the listener. Volume change of a frequency band within an automated equalizer plugin may be better focused but is not transparent due to the complexity of note overtones. Yes, usually a casual listener would not notice this stuff (it usually goes by so fast) but if you are the one in the DAW changing things around you probably will notice. It's a judgement call in weighing the pros and cons. Personally I make focal volume edits in a recording quite sparingly if at all.
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There is certainly an issue of degree. Things that are painfully obvious with my head between my studio monitors sometimes aren't even noticeable at all over my home stereo or in my car. A casual listener isn't likely to notice a bad edit if it's background music playing in a cafe. But we all record music in the hope (or fear? :-) ) that someone's actually going to listen to it closely over a good sound system, however unlikely that may be!
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