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Old 02-08-2022, 07:13 PM
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Default Gypsy Jazz Guitars

I relate them to Archtops since they are a guitar often used for jazz, but do a lot of you as Archtop players use a gypsy jazz style guitar (I know they have a fancy French name but I can never remember it lol). I mainly play chord melody on my Loar, do gypsy jazz style guitars lend themselves to this style well?
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Old 02-08-2022, 07:44 PM
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Gypsy jazz aka manouche music is typically played on guitars based on the Selmer-Maccaferri style. They're lightly built and incredibly loud. Two main models - oval hole or petit bouche (little mouth) and big D hole (grande bouche).

The guitars were made in France and popularized by the many Romani players in France and neighboring countries in the early 1900's.

I have an Eastman archtop guitar and an Altamira grande bouche gypsy jazz guitar. I enjoy them both. They both can be used for a variety of styles and do sound different from each other.
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Old 02-13-2022, 10:34 AM
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You could do worse than use the Saga Gitane DG-340 that Stephane Wrembel uses.
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Old 02-14-2022, 12:41 PM
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As with any kind of guitar, it's going to depend on the particular instrument. As a class, I've found the less-expensive factory models tend to be brash and nasal--though obviously the occasional gem will come off the production line.

And in fact there's a preference, especially among lead players, for a "dry" voice--which I find too brash and nasal--though the best Selmers and Selmer-inspired examples have more range than that. I've had three grande-bouche examples, all of them chosen because they did not go brack-brack-brack but were more "wet." I sold on a rather nice Dell'Arte Sweet Chorus when I bought a Michael Dunn Daphne, which remains a favorite--it can do the conventional lead sound but also fingerstyle and chord-melody. I also found a Shelley Park Elan 12 that has a bit more nasal or resophonic honk than the Dunn but is voiced along the same lines. (Shelley worked with Dunn before setting up her own shop.)

Best place to get a sense of the range of Selmer-style instruments and playing is djangobooks.com. A recent post there sent me to this video, in which you can hear Stephane Wrembel's petite-bouche guitar, which has a terrific Djangoesque voice. (It's well-worn, maybe a Selmer, unless it's a beat-up Dupont.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daU3zUWNKYI
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Old 02-14-2022, 04:11 PM
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I have owned a genuine d hole maccy in the past. I loved owning it as it was a lifetime desire purchase but in truth it was a one trick pony. I couldn't get it to work with anything other than gypsy swing. Every other style, not using a thick pick, sound thin. It really had to be played hard.
After awhile I admitted to myself that I wasn't nearly good enough at that style to justify such an expensive thing so I sold it. If I was rich I'd have kept it just to look at and touch. It was a lifetime desire....
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Old 04-27-2022, 07:22 PM
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There's a Michael Dunn gypsy guitar local to you, at Russo's in Hamilton. Pricey, it's been hanging there a while. I played it a few weeks ago, for the same reasons you are looking for, to see if it would be good for chord melody and other kinds of jazz.
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Old 04-28-2022, 07:06 AM
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As a player who owns a number of vintage Epiphone archtops, which I use for vintage jazz and/ or roots music, I was curious about Selmer style guitars. Several years ago I bought an Eastman DM1, which I liked, and it worked great for the vintage swing stuff( not so much for the roots). I recently bought a Craig Bumgarner Selmer-style, which has a much finer sound and ‘cut’(dryer, maybe), and may prove more all-around useful. It has excellent volume, and will do chord melody very well. A good Selmer type is another tool in the box, and while it may not do everything…neither will my Epiphones…or my nice flattops. If one plays acoustic, vintage jazz, then a good GJ instrument is hard to beat.

I should add, I'm playing with a thick flatpick, comping swing rhythm chords, and playing single note leads, with some chord melody. One of my favorite players, the late, great Oscar Aleman, used a thumbpick, and fingerpicks, on his grand bouche Selmer, to great effect.

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Old 04-28-2022, 10:46 AM
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I relate them to Archtops since they are a guitar often used for jazz, but do a lot of you as Archtop players use a gypsy jazz style guitar (I know they have a fancy French name but I can never remember it lol). I mainly play chord melody on my Loar, do gypsy jazz style guitars lend themselves to this style well?
Thanks for the insight!
I'm not a jazz player by any stretch of the index-pinky span, but I do own a 1930 Gibson L-5, and have played Selmer s/n 504, the next one to Django's own Selmer.

The disparity of sound & tactile experience is vast, and I don't think I could make what I normally play sound acceptable on the Selmer. Clearly that's my shortcoming, but suffice to say they are worlds apart in just about every aspect.





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Old 04-28-2022, 11:57 AM
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Yes, having owned and played both, they are a different animal.

For acoustic only chord melody work, the shorter scale (which is still a 25.5" scale) D hole style guitar is really great. These are generally thought of as the "rhythm" style guitar in a Hot Club style band, so they are a bit warmer and bassier than the longer scale Petit bouche ("O" hole), which sound like laserbeams. They make long scale D holes too which sort of split the difference. In the end that extra bit of scale really does a number on my hands, I'm not meant to play those type of guitars...I own an inexpensive Cigano Grande Bouche and it serves my purposes just fine. It's still a remarkably loud guitar that sounds best played hard.

In the past year though, for acoustic solo jazz playing, I've fell in love with a 000 sized all Mahogany Martin. It's not nearly as loud as the SelMac style, but the sustain is sweeter. But it would get completely lost in a band setting.
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