College Admissions Scandal....

[imwjl]

Originally Posted by Kerbie

We're talking about cheating. To varying degrees, this occurs all over society. It occurs in business... do we need to talk about Enron? It occurs in the military... in sports, in music, on our taxes, etc. Almost anywhere there is a top-dog prize or financial benefit, cheating occurs. Seems to me, society's task should be to eliminate it or diminish its effects rather than to trash every institution in which it occurs.

Good post. I've seen a lot of education bashing with this news topic but it remains that education and the institutions are VERY important.

[Otterhound]

Originally Posted by Kerbie

We're talking about cheating. To varying degrees, this occurs all over society. It occurs in business... do we need to talk about Enron? It occurs in the military... in sports, in music, on our taxes, etc. Almost anywhere there is a top-dog prize or financial benefit, cheating occurs. Seems to me, society's task should be to eliminate it or diminish its effects rather than to trash every institution in which it occurs.

Totally wrong .
The goal should be to eliminate it . When that is done , there will be no consequences to be dealt with .
Rationalizing it serves only to encourage it .

[imwjl]

Originally Posted by Otterhound

Totally wrong .
The goal should be to eliminate it . When that is done , there will be no consequences to be dealt with .
Rationalizing it serves only to encourage it .

I'll need more explanation to understand you. Kerbie said "Seems to me, society's task should be to eliminate it or diminish its effects rather than to trash every institution in which it occurs.".

It's damaging to trash important institutions and correct to say we should eliminate or diminish the problem. We should not forget the institutions are full of ethical and hard working people - students and staff. We still have the hard working and honest kids doing things right. We still have faculty inspiring and educating the kids and benefitting us overall.

Not all the big money is stroking an ego or about sports. As an example I know, don't let the big money or pop news cycle overshadow the John and Tashia Morgridges of the world. There are more and they should be encouraged.

[Kerbie]

Originally Posted by Otterhound

Totally wrong .
The goal should be to eliminate it . When that is done , there will be no consequences to be dealt with .
Rationalizing it serves only to encourage it .

What is wrong, Otter? You've criticized me twice without bothering to be specific. I didn't rationalize it. As a matter of fact as imwjl pointed out, I even said, "society's task should be to eliminate it..." How on earth do you twist those words into my rationalizing it?

[BrunoBlack]

Originally Posted by Kerbie

We're talking about cheating. To varying degrees, this occurs all over society. It occurs in business... do we need to talk about Enron? It occurs in the military... in sports, in music, on our taxes, etc. Almost anywhere there is a top-dog prize or financial benefit, cheating occurs. Seems to me, society's task should be to eliminate it or diminish its effects rather than to trash every institution in which it occurs.

I think this is spot-on Kerbie.

[RP]

Originally Posted by Kerbie

Seems to me, society's task should be to eliminate it [cheating] or diminish its effects...

Originally Posted by Otterhound

The goal should be to eliminate it [cheating] . When that is done, there will be no consequences to be dealt with...

Seems like you guys will just have to agree to agree...

[Kerbie]

Originally Posted by RP

Seems like you guys will just have to agree to agree...

Ain't that the truth, RP...

[Otterhound]

Originally Posted by Kerbie

What is wrong, Otter? You've criticized me twice without bothering to be specific. I didn't rationalize it. As a matter of fact as imwjl pointed out, I even said, "society's task should be to eliminate it..." How on earth do you twist those words into my rationalizing it?

Please look at your entire post . If you can't see the rationalizing , I can't be of any assistance .

[TomB'sox]

I think this thread has had enough time. Thank you.