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LR Baggs Lyric/Anthem?
Quick question to those in the know: Is LR Baggs Lyric the same bridge plate pickup as their Anthem? (without the UST) I have the Lyric in one of my guitars and I'm really not liking the sound plugged straight into a Fishman 100. It may be 'that' guitar as I have a Lyric in another guitar and really like it? I wonder if a possible low battery could cause this? No way to tell without changing it...
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Well, when in doubt ( at all!), change the battery... a good motto with powered pickups!
I have the Anthem SL in both my 6 and 12 string Mark Angus guitars; hd them installed some 5 or 6 years ago now. I spoke with the main tech at Baggs a year ago and he told me that the Lyric is the SAME as the True-Mic used in the Anthem systems, but that the individual mics are "tested" and the best sounding ones are shunted off to the "Lyric" pile... I think your Lyric has a switch for different attenuation modes, though, and I don't think that's an option on my Anthem True-Mic. Of course, it could be an installation variable as well... Hope this helps...
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Many thanks! Is there any need of a preamp between the guitar and acoustic amp? The signal is certainly "hot" enough? I suppose it could be an installation issue as well? I will change strings and in the process check out the install and replace the battery.
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Llew,
The Lyric can be finicky - it would help to know what you don't like about it and we can offer some thoughts. For example, if you don't like the bass response, that is a common criticism of the Lyric. A friend of mine had a Lyric in his mighty Collings OM and we got good sound by drastically cutting 1/9'th octave at 200 hz and again somewhere higher (sorry, i don't recall now - maybe 500hz or so?) that helped remove the boxy sound we were getting. The Lyric sounded really good, but ultimately it didn't have the bass response we wanted. Also, have you changed the presence trim on the little soundhole preamp? That's a game changer. As to your most recent question, you shouldn't need to add a preamp, but you'll probably be gaining it up at some point - either on an amp or PA. |
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Here you can compare the Lyric raw sound (sample N°5) with a DPA microphone (N°4).
https://soundcloud.com/user-88552451...rison-with-dpa I would say the main difference between the Lyric and the Anthem micing is not the mic but the preamp * The anthem preamp is basicaly a crossover between two sources. The piezo handling the low frequencies. See link: Anthem patent * The lyric preamp is another beast: Lyric patent It has a patent for itself: It includes a multiband compressor. With two compressors only working on the low end. One in peak detection and the other in RMS mode. Baggs really taylored the low end response (that's why the Lyric is so picky... It is made probably for Martin D28 ord HD28). There is also a compressor in the 2-5kHz range. There is also a bit of Equing. If you want to know, read the patent. There is a huge low cut. The Lyric output is not that "hot" compared to other systems I've tried.
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Cuki said it well. In my experience, the Lyric was not a great solution for me. It lacked (purposefully) in the low end. This is done to prevent howling feedback issues present with most microphones. Once can try and EQ it, post preamp, to improve the tone. Several of us were very enthusiastic about the Lyric when it came out, SpruceTop being one of them. Many of us have come to the conclusion that the Anthem is a better choice because the low end is provided by the UST. Several users, Doug Young among them, have experimented using the Lyric and a K&K for the low end. It can sound good, but most prefer a different mic to pair with the K&K. The good news is that you are not alone in your response to the Lyric. The bad news, is that it has not worked for many of us, and we've moved on.
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The Lyric has an awful lot of things going for it, but low end response is not one of them |
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I removed a Lyric from one of my guitars after a couple of weeks of not being able to dial it in at shows. I went back to the Pure Mini and I may try another system in the future.
I have not heard a guitar with an Anthem that wasn't good, but I have heard several questionable lyrics. Its just a more sensitive system. |
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Agreed. That seems to be the consensus. The Anthem and Anthem SL seem to work more consistently for people than the Lyric. In some cases, the Lyric can sound superb, but many of us have been disappointed with the tru mic alone.
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+1 for the Anthem SL here!
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I just played my Anthem SL for the first time live yesterday in my Larrivee OM-40 and after getting the mic dialed in and mixed through my LR Baggs Para DI, I am blown away. Playing with a Gravity Gold 1mm pick and it sounds so natural to my ears.
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