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Yep, I got lost listening to these and find myself suddenly caring less about whatever argument I was planning to make in this thread...
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Andrew York really is "a treasure". He is the main reason why I live in the "dark side" most of the time these days. Nylon is a real pain to play vs. steel-string but so rewarding. Cheers, Steve |
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My comments are from published research. and statements from the principals. And I'm only talking about his supposedly getting a new guitar every year. This doesn't jibe with what we know about his Hausers, at least from the 1920s through 1950s. He did say later that he thought one of his Hausers lost some of its sparkle after retirement, but that doesn't translate to a new guitar every year, although in the 60s when he was working with Jose Ramiriz III to build guitars that would stand up to nylon strings and concert volume levels, he undoubtedly tried out a few. As far as his dictatorial approach with his students, that is well documented - John Williams talks = and complains - about it.
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The "synopsis" leaves out Fleta and his relationship with the family and his difficulty with the guitars.
The "synopsis" is third hand information. Again, I'll go with a direct source. It is also well known and not included in the "synopsis" that the first Ramirez was not made by Ramirez but by Santos Hernandez. It was also a ten string converted back to a six string. Stories have it that Segovia and Ramirez got into "discussions" about the price. The "synopsis" does not include why and how Segovia began using Hauser guitars. That is a story in itself. I have photos of George Bolin of Sweden attempting to get Segovia to try and to endorse his guitars. Close.. no lutefisk. There are many makers who attempted to "curry" favor with Segovia. |
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Do classical guitars "wear out"
OP... What podcast where you listening to that caused you to start this topic?... I am always on the lookout for podcasts...
Thanks Bryan
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Segovia is not the only data point on this.
To me, Julian Bream's Romanillos was the greatest sounding classical guitar in history. (ok, maybe the player had something to do with it too. It is currently sitting in a museum somewhere, because it is thoroughly played out and has given up the ghost from a tonal standpoint. Every guitar and player is different. Some may take 500 years to play out, some may take 5. But I think it's pretty well demonstrated that at some point, classical instruments can exceed their useful lifespan.
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For me, I ask "where are all these played-out guitars?". With all the many classical guitarists in the world, surely there must be some giant warehouse somewhere with piles upon piles of once-very-valuable instruments which are now barely suitable for a new student to learn upon? Yes, instruments made from organic materials are going to change over time, but I would think that virtually every large music store would have some example of a worn-out guitar to demonstrate the effect incurred over time.......yet I have never encountered this. It would also seem to me that -- if this were a fairly predictable effect -- that the acoustic laboratory folks would have studies showing the deterioration of performance of instruments over extensive playing time. I see lots of third-hand speculation, but very little real data. |
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Welcome to the internet. No, that's not my attempt to be cute, I'm serious. Just about every time I try to research something on the internet, there's pretty much zero hard evidence to be found.
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I believe it's the Classical Guitar Insider. Bret Williams is the guy who does it. I think you can find it searching in iTunes or here's a link: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...622648929?mt=2
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Yes my friends, all acoustic guitars will dry out if not kept in a controlled environment like a fine cigar. My Yamaha (I own a number of guitars) will sing in the Spring after a long winter in the land of 4 seasons where I dwell, but never is she left in climatic conditions to even start drying out.
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