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I can watch for hours and hours... But this is more applicable than just one harmonic resonator. Forget about the neck bending and causing intonation issues, it bend less than the top does, after all we did make the top flexible enough to move back and forth to make sound. I won't get into it but we have a few resonances that play a big part in sound production from the guitar, the top resonance, back resonance, and sound hole resonance. They do interact with one another and tend to push away from the adjacent resonance. As an example the top resonance of 180 Hz could be pushed down to 175 Hz due to the higher frequency back resonance. Now the string is just another resonator. If one of the guitar resonances are strong enough, which you would get in a higher performance guitar, the guitar resonance could push the string resonance off what the string length says it should be. Whether that is what Taylor is getting at, it make things simpler if they just came out and said that.
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I've enjoyed your posts on the topic, printer, and also your build threads as well.
I make no claims of being an expert with resonances and vibrations; I've taken a few classes and understand the physics at a 600 level, but that's it. I do realize the dynamic system that is a guitar is far, far more complicated than a simple harmonic oscillation; I was hoping to help people realize they can't (properly) consider a guitar as a static thing. I've read SO many posts, referencing Taylor's intonation claim, that seem to refer to it as such. There's lots and lots of physics going on here! |
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If this is true then it seems to me that v bracing is working in the same way that cheaper ladder braced guitars and laminate guitars work. If so then that is the very thing that Taylor cannot say because the whole point of guitar marketing for the whole of the history of the steel string guitar marketing is to tell us that improving the responsiveness of the top will improve tone.
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I have a little background in process control work where we tune the response of manufacturing processes. So when I started to learn about how a guitar works it did not seem foreign to me. Not that I know a heck of a lot.
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As of today, two months and counting.....
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The filming is discussed and Tony is interviewed on the Taylor factory podcast. The filming is discussed on the Taylor guitar right here. Episode 12.
https://www.taylorguitars.com/from-the-factory-podcast
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I have to comment on one part of the propagandacast. At about 39:30, Tony demonstrates how the v-class Taylor he has with him during the interview can produce harmonics other than the usual three we all know at the 5th, 7th, and 12th frets. He plays sliding along the low E string from the nut to the 7th fret using the standard harmonic playing technique and you can hear harmonics at several other positions including positions between frets. One of the Taylor guys then prattles on about you can't hear those on an x-braced guitar because you need v-class bracing to allow those harmonics to be heard. Bull pucky! I picked up one of my guitars and easily replicated the same harmonics, maybe more of them and more clearly, with my x-braced guitar. Just another example of Taylor marketing people making nonsensical claims. The guitar Tony demos sounds quite good, but the hosts were full of more of the same marketing mumbo jumbo. |
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One more thing about those other harmonics. For kicks I just tried the same thing on the low E string of my Les Paul. Guess what. All those other harmonics are easily audible on that guitar too even unplugged.
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The followup is here: https://acousticlife.tv/the-real-sto...aylor-v-class/
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I only listened to parts which seemed might have a physics oriented bent to how the bracing is different and heard nothing. Oh well.
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What a lot of people do is confuse compensation and intonation and assume that if the open string and the 12th harmonic are compensated to play in pitch, then every aspect of the guitar will be in pitch or have good intonation. Because of Equal Temperament tuning, this isn't even possible.
I think that Bob and Andy"s "in theory" explanation really missed the mark and a lot better tact would have been to just simply state that in their opinion V-Bracing is an enhancement to a guitars perceived sound because of the structural differences of V-Bracing and then just let the buying public decide. The Bob/Any/Tony roadshow? Just marketing me thinks. |
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Well he said he would get the goods on the guitar and basically I found much of the same which we already heard. I want that half hour of my life back.
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Referring to the frequency only and not the amplitude, are you saying that all guitar bodies radiate the frequencies that excite them with equal fidelity? Do all guitar bodies when excited by, say, a 98 Hz frequency radiate 98 Hz exactly and not some approximation to it (as an example, 97.9 or 98.1)?
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This video (note it has a table of contents) https://acousticlife.tv/the-real-sto...aylor-v-class/ helps add a lot of background information to what's already been said. Andy and Bob have put money where their mouth is - the proof they believe in this as an enhancement is they're now rolling it out as the only option for most of their product line. As for whether or not a given person will like it? Like Andy says in so many words, hey, if you've got a guitar that you love, play on brother/sister. That makes him happy, regardless of what it is. As for all the luddites? They're expected and ignored. Too little time for negative energy.
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It's like Bose speakers. The old 901's had something like 5% or 10% THD but sounded just incredible, especially driven with a tube amp. In fact, Amar Bose would say "We are not even going to publish specifications. You will just have to let your ears decide". |