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Matthew, I’m a longtime user of OM’s and 14 fret Triple O’s as my primary performing guitars, and also own several cedar-topped instruments. While I really like rosewood backs and sides in that body shape, personally I wouldn’t pair a cedar top with rosewood in an OM, and definitely wouldn’t make it a deep body OM with that tonewood combination.
The reason is that with a cedar top you’re going to get some nice warm low end response to begin with, you’re going to get more bass with rosewood back and sides, and even more bass if the body’s made deeper. It could add up to a fairly murky-sounding instrument if you don’t balance all that with some projective qualities and factor in some more treble response. Everything’s a trade-off: yes, deepening the body cavity will give you more resonance, but in an OM it does so at the expense of some projection. So while the guitar might just seem to ROAR when you’re playing it, if other instruments are being played at the same time your deep-bodied OM might not cut through the mix very well. So whatever you decide, there are trade-offs. My own inclination with a cedar top in an OM would be to pair it with a tonewood with a livelier response and clearer trebles than rosewood, like mahogany, koa or black walnut. I think you’ll get a more tonally balanced instrument if you do. Hope that makes sense. Wade Hampton Miller |
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Here's my completely unbalanced, sustainless and dead sounding cedar/rosewood slightly deeper than usual OM (ish!) with old strings at a RH of about 65% -
i'd better tell Roger to stop making cedar/rosewood Fyldes... Keith |
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Ha ..yes that does sound hideous,..lol
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Thanks for all the responses, and keep them coming. To address some of the questions, comments....
My guitar stable is already dread heavy and has guitars that are great in a big jam. So that’s not a priority. The next guitar I want to get should be totally different as well as recording friendly. That’s one of the reasons I'm leaning away from a deep body. Also, I would like to use it for solo singer songwriter type of gigs and like the idea of a smaller guitar which can get a big sound live (most likely a dual source pick up) I am awaiting the demo vids. Though web vids are never a conclusive medium in regards to choosing a musical instrument it does help get a general idea. Of course it all comes down to getting the guitar in your hands for couple of days and then deciding.
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I have it on my classical and i feel it is a very warm sounding tone
thats breaks in relatively faster than other tone woods The only unfavorable thing I can say is that I didnt like a lowden I played with Ceder as a top wood / and Walnut as B+S it was a great guitar sort of -but really not my cup of Tea
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Cedar tends to have lower density than most of the spruces, so all else equal it will usually make a heavier top. The low density also means the long-grain stiffness tends to be lower at a given thickness, so it usually needs to be left thicker than spruce. If you make a cedar top the same thickness as spruce it certainly would tend to have lower resonant pitches, which contributes to the 'darker' sound. Also, a light top is generally easier to 'over drive' than a heavier one, no matter what the material.
If you want something like the 'cedar' sound in a hard strummer, get a redwood top. The famous 'LS' redwood, for example, has much the same look and tap tone of cedar, but it's harder and denser, and works more like Sitka or Red spruce for thickness, mass and stiffness, while keeping the warmth we associate with cedar. I'll note that redwood can be quite variable: some of the 'stump' redwood I've seen is, IMO, useless for guitar tops, with low long-grain stiffness and a tap tone like cardboard. It's not hard to find redwood that is acoustically and structurally as god as the 'LS', but not as uniform in color or grain: lower in cosmetic grade but still wonderful tone wood. I've used cedar on OM-style guitars and it works well if you use it right. I agree with Wade that you probably don't want to make the box deeper, but it need not be any shallower then 'normal'. Make sure you have a good pick guard on it from the beginning; this stuff dents if you think hard abut it unless it has a finish that's 'way too thick. |
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I've got a '98 514ce (cedar/mahogany) while it's not an OM, it's still my go-to guitar for anything other than hard rhythmic stuff. It's clear as a bell, and I've never played anything that I would trade it for.
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I would again recommend a Furch OM. They are quite special with cedar or spruce.
To throw a monkey wrench in, have you considered an Alpine Top? I find it to be smoother than Sitka but more headroom than Cedar. I have a Grand Auditorium Alpine/Cocobolo that is really awesome |
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It’s quite obvious that magnificent OM guitars can be built out that tonewood combination, provided that the builder has experience working with it. I would hesitate to ask a builder who hasn’t used it before to make an OM, though, simply because of the aspects I mentioned in my earlier post. Hope that makes more sense. Wade Hampton Miller |
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