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Again we're comparing apples to oranges...or worse. Now of course if one is looking for a "jack of all trades" that perhaps could be used to spin records at a party, serve as a make-shift monitor at a gig, serve as a PA system for a lobby at a restaurant or just provide FOH stuff without the need for EQ and or effects the QSC IS a more cost effective solution without doubt. YMMV |
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This is strictly for MY purposes. IF "I" were to go for a BagAmp "I" am expecting to be using a small mixer with effects. So for ME the BagAmp vs K10 are in the same ballpark for cost, portability, and use.
I would also like to say as the owner of a few different QSC amps in the past and present, I am very disappointed in their lacl of info in the specs for the K series and it shows a lack of professionalism. The BagAmp lack of specs I have no comment for. Most of the last part of this discussion leaves me thinking it's best to stay with a rack mount power amp and passive speakers. (Maybe I should look into those 803's. Where IS Chris anyway???)
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After a quick little research, Class D refers to the switching mode of the transitors allowing greater power with less weight. It can be analog or digital depending upon how the output signal is controlled.
The QSC references its DSP technology while the JBL specifically says "Class D digital amplifier technology." I think it's fair to refer to both as digital amps (but, hey, I found this all on Wikipedia). geokie8
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For the record, my current rig is a Yammy MG mixer with reverb and compression and a powered PV speaker. I've owned but sold a Loudbox 100. If I did upgrade my humble outfit, haven't decided what route I'd go -- which is why I've been following these discussions. I just don't think I need light and super loud in a single unit. Heck, in the dozen or so shows in which I used the Loudbox I never came close to cranking it past half way up, but I did find that all alone it sounded "small" no matter how loud, and so I could never really get into taking advantage of its excellent portability. ...my impression is that the line array approach would solve that, but I've yet to hear one of those systems in operation... out here in the sticks as we are. Of course, as my manager/wife would say: is it really worth slapping down $500-800 to save another trip or two out to the car? td |
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OK, and now for the bummer. (And I really don't want to hijack this thread so I know you all feel my pain -- it's not necessary to post the sentiments).
All of this amp/ speaker talk got my juices flowing so I decided today would be the day I jumped into the truck and cruised on down to check out the BagAmp. I really didn't have the time but I was going to tack it onto the end of a short business trip (i.e., to take a photo of a house). I threw the Gibson into the car, a mic, a mixer, some odds and ends, and was ready to pull out of the driveway. Just to be sure, I checked to make sure the camera was where it should be. Alas, whoever broke into my truck and swiped my GPS last week also took my camera. I'm so bummed I took everything back out of the truck. I guess I'll find something else to do today. (Writing a blues song sounds about right). Sorry, I thought I'd have something to share about the BagAmp tonight. geokie8
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I think the BagAmp sounds great, much better than the SA, to my ears. It just didn't seem loud enough for some of the uses I need it for. When I had it cranked, I didn't think it would be enough to fill the 100 person room I played in the following week. However, I could have been wrong since I didn't take into account the line array. GL |
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Although I haven't had any problems with my Mackie SRM450 speakers, I'm not disputing the information that you're relating as you seem to be much more traveled and experienced than I am in sound reinforcement circles. Regards, SpruceTop
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In other words, you are making an assumption. It is entirely likely that the K10 will have more headroom but that remains to be established. There are amplifiers whose dynamic headroom is much higher than their continuous power rating and others whose headroom is closer to their continuous power rating. One would also have to factor in speaker efficiency and whether power limiters are being used and if so, what their characteristics are. Another factor is the superior projection of a line array.
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