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Old 04-28-2023, 10:10 AM
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Say a bridge is a four chord pattern...

D
Dsus4
D but e-string is on fret5 (x00235)
Dsus4
(then repeat all)

So, what is chord #3 (x00235) called? Is it D5? D(no 3rd)? Is that what D5 means, a D with no third?

I know enough to be dangerous. Above, strings 3-2-1... for the D-chord, those notes are A-D-F#, a D-chord triad. So, if the fretted strings (x00235) sound out A-D-A, there is no third? How is that a D-chord with no third? Sounds like D, lol. I'd look it up but I don't know how to ask the question.
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Old 04-28-2023, 10:19 AM
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Hi Bill,

I am certainly no expert, but regarding your question...

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...D but e-string is on fret5 (x00235) ...

So, what is chord #3 (x00235) called? Is it D5? ...
I believe that chord is still a D chord. That high E on the 5th string is an A note, and the A note is part of the D chord, the 5th.

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Old 04-28-2023, 10:26 AM
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I am no expert either, but I think you got it.
What I see is a 5th chord… inversion.
A 5th chord, nor major nor minor, is usually played as a power chord on the bass strings (Blues, Rock, etc.)
In the case you mention, it appears to be used as a passing chord.
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Old 04-28-2023, 10:30 AM
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Chord question

Electric rockers call it a 'power' chord. That is, at least 2 notes containing root and fifth notes only.

Still the same played on acoustic, except less noisy. And still a 'D' chord. And not a passing chord as much as a passing note. As is the Repetitive Dsus4 'G' note. Similar to a blues shuffle with root, +6th, +7th, +6th.

Edit=> Now that I have thought about it for a bit, I use that formation a few times playing the Beatles "It's Only Love" in 'C', but as a three note index finger treble barre on the fifth fret adding the 'f' on the 2d string fret 6 and the 'c' note on fret 8. Once on it's own elsewhere and then once to play and slide up to a 'G' chord with the treble 'd' at the 10th fret on the 1st string and then change into the outro. I like to use melodies as the basis for a bridge or an outro. In this case it's in a bridge after two sung verses and before the C to Am outro, like the Beatles use. (F form for C fret 8 to Dm form for Am fret 8, walking down the 2d string to 'g' before the Am.) Sounds really great on a 12 string guitar, especially using an open 'aA' course (string pair) as part of an Am arpeggio, skipping the open 'dD'.

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Is that what D5 means, a D with no third?
Yes, that is what that typically means.
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Old 04-28-2023, 11:30 AM
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Hi Bill,

I am certainly no expert, but regarding your question...



I believe that chord is still a D chord. That high E on the 5th string is an A note, and the A note is part of the D chord, the 5th.

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It's not a D major chord because there is no 3rd (the F# note)

Everyone else is correct in calling a D5.
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So that’s 3 A notes and 2 D notes.
We’re calling it a D power chord because the low A is the 5th inversion? Why not Asus4?
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So that’s 3 A notes and 2 D notes.
We’re calling it a D power chord because the low A is the 5th inversion? Why not Asus4?
Because Asus4 contains A, D, and E.
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think of it as substituting one of the root notes (D) for one of the 5ths (A)

it's a "D" but with more "A" notes! if it sounds good, it is good
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think of it as one of the root notes (D) for one of the 5ths (A)

it's a "D" but with more "A" notes! if it sounds good, it is good
Yeah, technically it's D5/A.
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Yeah, technically it's D5/A.
But without a third, is it a Dyad, not a chord?
and either A Dyad(Root is A?) or…?
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But without a third, is it a Dyad, not a chord?
and either A Dyad(Root is A?) or…?
Correct, it is not a triad. Pairing the root and the fifth is commonly referred to as a <root>5 "chord"
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Correct, it is not a triad. Pairing the root and the fifth is commonly referred to as a <root>5 "chord"
Thanks for your insight. Is there a Root4 chord?
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Thanks for your insight. Is there a Root4 chord?
Kinda. If you play a C and F together it's the same notes as a F5 so you probably just refer to it as F5 instead of C4 but the end result is the same as you have two notes played together.

Edited to add that the "order" of the notes will affect the sound as a Root-fourth and a root-fifth sound a bit different if you are just playing the two notes (which is probably more applicable to the piano/melody rather than chord strumming on a guitar)
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In garage parlance I've heard it called a "one-five." Smoke on the Water is all one-fives. Johnny B Goode and its ilk are alternating one-fives and one-sixes, with maybe a one-seven thrown in.
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