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I don't think there's any shame in it at all. Heck, lots of live recordings have studio overdubs and tweaks to help polish the rough edges of the performance.
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Tonight I asked my wife to sing harmony on my latest tune....She sounds really good on certain songs to highlight my VOX.....She has pulled it off live on this new song...
That said, she is not a pro......I knew my window of opportunity was small.....I also know she won't do after take after take, like I wil....... But I need great BGVs or I won't use em....... I had her sing all her parts all the way through on 3 separate tracks......"Comped" the three tracks and got one really useable track.....Copied the track and put her in stereo hard left & hard right... Sounds Great.......Oh, and I dodged a bullet.......Because I would definitely hear it if I didn't use her BGVs on the finished product
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lol...been there as well.
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great thread........I saw Pierre Bensusan play last year,and I was overjoyed to experience his mastery of the guitar complete with many 'mistakes'........I listen to his Intuite and Vividly albums and they sound so perfectly performed,not a single note off,but with this concert I got to experience his imperfect side and I loved it.........wrong notes,off timing,dead buzzing notes,perhaps even forgotten parts?.........he was clearly improvising throughout the performance and it was rather late once he came onto the stage,but all of these imperfections meant nothing,in fact Im glad I experienced this kind of performance from him,otherwise it would have just been like listening to his perfect recordings.............I would be interested to know how much he pieces together his takes in the studio,because Ive listened quite closely,especially to his last album and it sounds pretty near fluid in one take.
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I don't think it's cheating to edit the best parts of a performance into a finished piece.
I originally tried to do perfect run throughs when I was recording my album, but had the same problem as you, there was usually just one or two fluff ups that spoiled it. So I decided to record several takes of the whole piece, staying in the right mood and going through from start to finish, not stopping if I made a little fluff up. Leaving all the tone and level controls alone. I then went though all the takes and chose the track with the best feel and performance, and used that as the sort of 'root' track. Then replaced any fluff ups on that track with edits from the others. Sorted. Just a case of making sure you record all the separate takes in one session and take extra care with the editing to make sure the cross fades are undetectable. All the tracks on my album have at least one edit in them. I don't think it's noticeable and I don't think it's cheating, it's just being pragmatic
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I'm glad I came across this thread. I used to be overly proud of having my recordings done in one continuous take. It frequently meant 60 or 70 takes in a row. I would record until the memory on my camera ran out, clear it and then start again. I think after reading this I'll be content with releasing somewhat flawed tracks on youtube but piecing together multiple takes together for my downloads.
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A very interesting, honest and thought provoking thread.
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There are no rules!
There are no rules in home recording. Do whatever it takes to get a good recording. The goal is the good recording not the process it took to get there. Who cares if you cut bits and pieces of 20 takes. We've all done it. We've done it because it works.
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Do 3 takes, comp them, and move on to the next tracks.....come back later at it fresh after listening to yours comped take awhile....I say this because when I listen back to one of my comp takes it really inspires me to play it "like the record"....
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Take Two (or more!)
In our studio, we will typically do one take all the way through and then see if there are fixes to make. We do this with both the instruments as well as the vocals. There almost always are at least a few and sometime more than a few. If there are way too many edits we go back to square one and do another start to finish take to, at the very least, get fewer fixes. Once in a while I'll listen to the original take and just play along with it while wearing the headphones and my 2nd track will be so much better than the first that we just dump the first and substitute the 2nd effort.
You just gotta do what you gotta do but spending an inordinate amount of time to play a 4:30 piece through flawlessly, in my opinion, at some point, is not the best use of your time. The beauty of the new recording equipment (I'm 62 and I remember when we used to have bits of tape all over the floor in the editing room) is that you can quite seamlessly do your fixes and they are virtually impossible to detect.
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