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Old 06-04-2009, 08:39 AM
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Default Bb2 chord

Is the chord Bb2:

Bar the first fret then 3rd finger on the 4th string - 3rd fret, 2nd finger on the 3rd string - 2nd fret?

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Old 06-04-2009, 09:09 AM
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yes, it's a barr chord; i do ring and picky finger on the 3rd fret
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Old 06-04-2009, 09:13 AM
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I would play this with an A2 shape barred at the 1st fret.

I play the A2 (no 3rd in the chord) as:

A2 (Asus2)
e -0-
b -0-
g -2-
D -2-
A -0-
E -0-

So if you play that barred on the first fret you'd get a A#2 or Bb2. I would barre the first fret and play 3rd finger D-string, 4th finger g-string, both on the 3rd fret.

Bb2
e -1-
b -1-
g -3-
D -3-
A -1-
E -1-
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Old 06-04-2009, 09:46 AM
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Thanks, appreciate the help!
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:20 AM
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I wish folks would call these sus2 chords, rather than just 2. My pet peeve, but it isn't going to change a thing.
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:56 AM
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I wish folks would call these sus2 chords, rather than just 2. My pet peeve, but it isn't going to change a thing.
Sorry.... I just call it what it is on the music sheet... you can call it sus2, that's cool with me..
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:08 AM
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Sorry.... I just call it what it is on the music sheet...
My comment was aimed at folks who make the chord charts, not folks who are trying to interpret them. Bb2 doesn't really mean anything, whereas Bbsus2 does. I think it is sloppy chart writing.

I saw the '2' usage the most on charts when I played in a praise band. Guitarists seemed to switch in between playing sus2 and add9 chords without really thinking about which was appropriate.

Like I said, my personal pet peeve. Most folks don't really care.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:14 AM
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I wish folks would call these sus2 chords, rather than just 2.
Hi Bryan...
So then are we going to call a minor 7th chord a min/min 7 (minor chord with minor 7th) and a major 7th a maj/maj7th because technically that is what we are playing.

Also a dominant 7th would then be a maj/min7 chord...technically.
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Hi Bryan...
So then are we going to call a minor 7th chord a min/min 7 (minor chord with minor 7th) and a major 7th a maj/maj7th because technically that is what we are playing.

Also a dominant 7th would then be a maj/min7 chord...technically.
While I agree that the naming conventions have some issues, they have an understood interpretation. Trained musicians will know exactly what you mean if you say Cmin7 or Cadd9.

C2 is a different use and is typically interpreted to be either Cadd9 or Csus2 - two different chords. Since we already have names for Cadd9 and Csus2, why muddy the waters with C2?

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...C2 is a different use and is typically interpreted to be either Cadd9 or Csus2 - two different chords. Since we already have names for Cadd9 and Csus2, why muddy the waters with C2?
Hi Bryan...
It only muddies the water if people don't know what it infers, and for that matter a '2' chord falls into the same category as an E5, D5 etc which is also a name/designation made-up to describe note groupings of only the root and 5th of a chord...which then technically would probably not be a chord...but we do know what it infers too...
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:36 AM
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Hi Bryan...
It only muddies the water if people don't know what it infers, and for that matter a '2' chord falls into the same category as an E5, D5 etc which is also a name/designation made-up to describe note groupings of only the root and 5th of a chord...which then technically would probably not be a chord...but we do know what it infers too...
Some folks might even interpret C2 as a diad. See why I think it is a poor name? Too much ambiguity.

So far, we have three options: C2 could be a diad (C and D), Csus2 (C, D, and G) or Cadd9 (C, D, E, and G).




I recommended Ted Greene's "Chord Chemistry" in James' other thread. I'll suggest it to him again, as it helps work through the naming conventions and will open up the guitar quite a bit.

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Old 06-04-2009, 01:53 PM
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I wish folks would call these sus2 chords, rather than just 2. My pet peeve, but it isn't going to change a thing.
I don't think they're the same thing.

A2: x02420 (much "prettier" to my ears)
Asus2: x02200

To the OP, if you're stretchy, you can try:

x13531

(bar on the first fret starting from the 5th string)
Note, as stated above, this is quite different from Bbsus2: x13311

An alternative is to play it up high (less of a stretch):

68(10)966

where (10) = tenth fret

EDIT: Now I remember why A2 sounded so familiar. James Taylor uses it in "Secret of Life". Very pretty chord
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I don't think they're the same thing.

A2: x02420 (much "prettier" to my ears)
So you interpret A2 to mean Aadd9? As you can see in this thread, others think it means Asus2. It shouldn't mean both and we already have names for the two candidates, so why use the name "A2" at all?
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:14 PM
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So you interpret A2 to mean Aadd9? As you can see in this thread, others think it means Asus2. It shouldn't mean both and we already have names for the other two, so why use the name "A2" at all?
I don't call it A2 myself (as you said, it should be Aadd9). But I thought A2 was a common "colloquial" name? Perhaps not

http://www.hobby-hour.com/guitar/chords.php?chord=a2

(I have little proper education in formal theory, by the way, so feel free to point out any errors)
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:24 PM
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I don't call it A2 myself (as you said, it should be Aadd9). But I thought A2 was a common "colloquial" name? Perhaps not

http://www.hobby-hour.com/guitar/chords.php?chord=a2

(I have little proper education in formal theory, by the way, so feel free to point out any errors)
And here's one that says A2 is Asus2:

http://pwarchive.com/resources/fingering.aspx?Chord=A2

Ambiguous and potentially confusing, in my opinion.

As I said, this is just my own pet peeve. Other folks use these terms for writing charts and never think twice about it. Maybe some folks who read through this thread now will.
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