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Interestingly I just picked up Arkansas Traveler and Devils Dream. I hadn't played them for a year, but I had memorized them back then. Took me a few practice sessions but they came back. I was thinking what I was doing when I was playing those tunes. It was apparent to me, I was not thinking about the tabs or the correct what string/fret/note. For the most part I was playing using muscle memory once I "relearned" them.
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I'm going to check it out too. Playing from memory is so much better and easier when recording.
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Hi T-Picker, Doug Y etc…
I started music lessons at age 8, and took lessons to nearly age 22 (classical approach in all cases). From the beginning I memorized everything - not deliberately, it just stuck in my brains. So I have no advice as to how to approach it, because for me, it's just a matter of repetition focused on the instrumental aspects, and the vocals follow along as well. When I play on our church Worship Team we get the list Tues or Wed for Thur rehearsal. I put them on my iPad the day they show up. If it's songs I've never heard or played, I listen to them repeatedly for a day, then sit down with my guitar & rough through them (especially if there are instrumental lead parts involved). Our current Worship Leader is famous for changing keys mid-rehearsal, so I enumerate all my lead parts in alpha numerics on the chart (rather than note names/keys). I continue to run through the guitar stuff once or twice a day for Fri/Sat, and by Sunday when I show up, I'm not really even looking at the charts (other than for the order). I don't know how to coach people into memorizing. I didn't realize till I'd been teaching for about 20 years that people were having trouble memorizing…yet they managed to memorize. Most popular music is so uniformly and simply written and arranged that I just started remembering forms like:
I think "Pre-chorus" is a modern (and needless) designation. So I just add those (in my brain) to the verse… |
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There are a very few musicians who can achieve extraordinary feats of memory. I learned about an American pianist who could memorize and in his head simultaneously play multiple pieces of classical music, his limit was either 4 or 5 pieces, I can't even remember which it was!
They tested him in a brain lab , getting him to memorize all these different pieces and play them in his mind while they had multiple recordings playing in a sound proof cubicle ,they checked up on him at regular intervals to get him to play what came next in their recordings of these different pieces and he was always 100% correct. Extraordinary feat of memory, but he made his living writing ragtime piano pieces in his head as he drove round America doing recitals. |
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I find that breaking the song up into phrases is essential for memorization. I memorize a phrase at a time. I don't go sequentially. I start with the most difficult phrases (or parts with the most difficult measures) because I've already kind of got them memorized anyway. Then I pick phrases that I like best and memorize them. Once I've got the phrases memorized, I link them up to form the song. It's painfully slow for me because part of me always keep thinking that this is very fruitless since I'll forget the music in a few months anyway. So, I probably subconsciously sabotage my own efforts. Anyway, I only memorize when I need to perform in front of people. |
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One thing, if I don't use it, I lose it. I don't retain songs that I've learned and memorized if I'm not playing them regularly.
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So while I hear so many people here report losing their memorization ability as they get older, I guess in a way I’m lucky. Memorization was never automatic or easy for me. |
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A lot of material to think over .
At first , I'm really intrigued by the book that Doug Young suggests . Now , anyway , I'm forced myself to divide songs in smaller parts and repeating as before I never did , hiding transcriptions . I'm confident some results will come, since I must imagine the progression and even use other triads (revolts ?) of the chords . I guess it's useful , even if the original is a little distorted. I hope to free myself from the slavery ... A big and huge thank to everyone for your answers ! |
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I'm auditing a piano class designed for music majors among singing and guitar classes/lessons. The instructor gives us a piece, and we have a week to learn it and play it for a grade. Of course my grade is virtual as I'm auditing the class.
I ended up accidently memorizing it as it was easier to play without looking at the sheet music. I'm going to play for our open mic tomorrow again without sheet music. It showed me how easier it is to play something when you have learned it and have it memorized. Now I need to learn and memorize The St Ann's Reel for my flatpicking class.
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I memorize every instrumental I am interested in and decide to work on. Don't have the habit of working on things to a half baked level.
However my memory lapses on most of that down the road as I move on to other pieces. Since I started to record music that does not bother me much.
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I have a friend who has done this in a low tech way for ages, I'm not even sure if he knows of the label "spaced repetition". He just writes all of his songs on a deck of blank cards, shuffles them, and then every day, he plays thru the ones on top, however many he feels up to. If he remembers it well, the card goes to the back of the deck. If not, it stays on top to be in the queue again for tomorrow. The apps and web sites that manage this for you just do it with a bit more sophistication, like prompting you to do something every day for a while, then every 3 days, then every 7, and so on. If you mess up, it goes back into faster repetition mode. The claim is that they bring it back into short term memory at precisely the moment you're about to forget it, if I recall correctly. Another angle that I think some people alluded to is I'd think that memorizing depends a lot on how unfamiliar something is. If you know the blues chord progression, then learning a new blues tune is probably pretty simple - you're only needing to recall any quirk to the specific song (or the words, if you're singing). You don't have to memorize the chords, or the chord progression, just the key, and maybe some unique riff.
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This is a very important topic for me personally, I have two responses and I will do each one in a separate message.
First, I can read music and tab almost fluently but I have struggles memorizing anything I can read. I have started to think it's like using Google Maps. If I use Google maps to find a location that's a little bit complicated I don't remember how to repeat it. However, if I can't get tabs for something and I have to do a Youtube lesson with someone showing me how to play it, I then memorize it and I hold it forever. |
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Second point I wanted to make.
Someone on AGF once pointed out that if you work on a piece one or two measures at a time and then look at your left hand while you're doing it, you'll do better at memorizing the piece. It works. |
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