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Having played several high end Martin and Collings, and a pre*war today, I can concur. The three brands mentioned do it with a sharper directness, if that makes sense, but the overall volume and power of a Lowden O would win.
Collings guitars haunt me, though. The D1A would get my vote.
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I’d recommend a Collings D-1.
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Can’t go wrong with either of those. I have 3 guitars I will never sell. One is a d18 (vintage and adi topped). Another is a d1at. There are certainly some differences but I don’t think there are two better mahogany dreads on the market. I’ve owned a countryboy which had a really dry, great sound but didn’t project like the Collings or Martin. Good luck!
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I have a custom shop D-18 with VTS sitka over quilted mahogany and it was louder then my D-18 standard, which was also a loud guitar. But my HD-35 is louder then either, and the loudest acoustic I have played. It is a cannon for sure.
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It's an entirely different sound.
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I've never played a Bourgeois but I have owned two Collings 12 fret dreds and found them to be rather stiff and tight. The Martin Ditson I have now suits me perfectly, but lots of people prefer the Collings sound, saying Martins are too bass heavy.
When you ask a question like this on a forum, you will get so many different opinions that you may end up more confused than when you started. They are all fine guitars, which one you will prefer is a choice only you can make. A Lowden is also a fine guitar, I have owned many over the years, but a very different tonal palette. A Goodall standard is also a superb guitar of that type and well worth adding to your list. If you can find one second hand they represent great value. |
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I'm afraid that none of us can advise the best one for you.
All good but the important thing is the neck that best suits your left hand. Had loads of Martins - fine but variable and there's always the neck reset issue for keepers. Had a Bourgeois DS260 for a while - beautiful tone, but couldn't get on with the neck. Collings - bought one in 1999, another in 2005, another in 2010, another in 2011, and another in 2012. The 2010 is a stock DS1 - loudest, (my bluegrass band guitar!) and DS1a - a 2003 build - worked hard before it came to me. Magical. Each to his own YMMV.
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Not a huge Collings fan personally, except for their dreads….that’s where I think the company’s acoustic builds excel above others….
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Maple back and sides, 25.5" scale. It depends on why you want "a cannon". But I expect that with a set of medium gauge strings on it a Dove will do more than "blow the bloody doors off".
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For a cannon I suggest the Collings. Their clarity puts them out in front of the others. It's also why people call them stiff. If you want or need a little rumble or muddiness to hide behind then go with a Martin.
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…my bandmates Collings D-1A qualifies….I once owned a Santa Cruz Mahogany D that had a massive bark and cut through a Bluegrass jam with the best of em….
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If you want that Martin sound, there's only 1 place to get it IMHO.
That being said, unless you have the ability to go play a bunch of them, your chances of getting a good one are much higher with Bourgeois or Collings. If you want a Martin, you may want to consider a weekend trip to Nashville. You'd be able to run the racks and find a good one. Going the custom shop route does not guarantee a a stellar Martin. |
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I will say that between my D41 and my Bourgeois, the Vintage D is WAY more guitar, volume-wise than the Martin. They both sound great, but the Martin is clearly in 2nd place.
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If it's flatpicking, you're probably right that you can't miss. Assuming you pick the right example of each. |