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well, my brain hurts
I just spent the last 5 hours talking with and watching someone cut out a top / match, cut out, and bend sides, and surface sand everything to thickness. great stuff. I do have Cumpiano's book on order, and I'm headed back to the shop next Friday to continue watching and talking about the same build. He also suggested a kit for a first build, and i do understand the WHY to kit vs non kit. So, if I go that direction what would be a good first kit selection ? Suggestion ? Again, thanks to all |
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I did speak w John on the phone. He knew the guy who is helping me along on this first build and gave him a call to discuss what was the best option for me at this juncture. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I don't have any "guitar things" yet, but I'm trying to get some tools made.
Here is a Gobar deck I made It is a bit taller than the ones you order, but much higher than this and inexperienced some wobbly"ness" stacks of 2x2 3/4 ply can get heavy Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Hi Roger
Yes. I'm currently reading through the book ... actually now haha good basic stuff. I agree. A tool update: I have a REALLY big work table on one side of the building that is HEAVY. It has been there since the build of the shop, but the plywood top is really rough and dinged heavily with years of use. What I did, was make a 2x2 station on one end. Basically I realize there will be different items that will need to be eventually, some way.. attached to the table, but I cant easily get UNDER or AROUND it, and there isn't a clamping edge. SO what I did was take a long 3/4 thick by 2" wide strip and cut it so that I had "fences" that a 3/4 2x2 will slip in and out of. There are 2 sides and a back that are attached to the table. This way I can affix whatever jigs / tools I need to seperate 2x2 ply boards and simply slip them in and out of the fence to keep them from twisting. Again thank you for all your advice on this first build. I don't even HAVE the kit yet... but I've decided on an OM build. |
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I suppose it's time for an update.
I have the back and front braced. I also have kerfing on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Looking good
Did you go with a kit build in the end? and if you did, which one did you go with and what came with it? |
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comes with the wood and stuff to finish the guitar. All the jigs and molds and such have to be bought or made. --- Went back to my builder friends place today and.. after deep depression of looking at his work and remembering what mine looks like I'm ready to go back in tomorrow morning haha. |
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It's been a while since I posted so ...
Binding is coming in this next week so I can get busy with that So yes building a guitar is hard... But so far my most challenging issues have been dealing w not having the right tools... Trying to use something else, then having to buy what I should have had in the first place and fix it haha. Over a VERY enjoyable experience! My next big thing will be joining the neck getting the angles right and so fort. I HOPE this works out since I used radius disks from the beginning. The top has a 28" radius, but the front of the neck bout was sanded flat ....w the back of the disk. In theory this should give me the three desirable regions of the top. Here's the workspace I've been working on / in lots of clean up to go... But it's slowly becoming more "guitar friendly". More details / pics soon ... Can't wait to install binding looking forward to the challenge/ what I'll learn. (I'm certain there will be more notes on my log pad of what didn't work / what did work / remember to do this" haha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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It's turning out great!
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It looks to be coming along quite nicely though and at a good speed. I like the look of your workspace, I'd love a space like that!! I'm doing mine in a public access workshop but its only open a few hours a day so if you can't get there when its open you can't do any work. |
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The earliest English language guitar making books, such as Sloane's and Cumpiano's and others, used almost entirely hand tools and simple processes. The guitar, itself, hasn't changed all that much in the last 40 years. However, clever people have implemented newer methods and tools, ranging from hollow dishes and vacuum clamping to CNC machining and robotic-applied UV-cured finishes. Some of these have been implemented to improve production quantities in factory settings, while others for the purposes of making things quicker and/or easier, and sometimes, reduce variability. There is no question, for example, that thinning exotic hardwoods is faster and easier using a thickness sander, but it can just as effectively be done using a hand plane and a scraper, if you know how to sharpen them and use them. Beginning makers, these days, often seem to get wrapped-up in the need for all of the latest "high-tech" advancements in tools and technology, despite that fact that people have been making high quality instruments for centuries using simple hand tools and a few forms. All the rest are "nice-to-have", might make things easier, but are not essential: gauged fret files come to mind, as just one example. The "right" tool is the one that you can use to do the job well. The beginning guitar maker, who often has little "manufacturing" and/or woodworking experience, often chooses to buy a specialized tool for each process step, rather than develop the woodworking tool skills to do the job with simpler tools. The assumption is often that it is possible to make a high-quality guitar - primarily a woodworking project - while having little in the way of woodworking skills. If one can buy the necessary specialized tools to perform each operation, one can largely circumvent the need for woodworking skills, while still producing a guitar of acceptable quality. I can well understand people wanting to make their own guitars without having to get side-tracked in first developing the basic woodworking skills necessary to do so. However, it does rather remind me of someone wanting to make a soufflé without knowing how to separate an egg yolk from its whites: perhaps there is a specialized tool that one can buy for that step. My point is not to be critical of those wanting to make their own guitars, or the skills they bring with them to do so. Instead, it is just a reminder that one really doesn't need a lot of tools to make a fine guitar. The PID-controlled side bender, the vacuum clamping frame/go bar deck, dishes, gauged fret files, fancy binding ledge cutter and the many other tools are nice to have, but not essential for a first-time builder who might not make more than one instrument. Last edited by charles Tauber; 11-06-2016 at 09:13 AM. |
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I completely agree. But at the same time a chisel isn't a chisel is a chisel. If you're going to carve braces, it's REALLY hard to use a stump splitter
A lot of the tools at my disposal have been rusted/ broken/ and so forth. I realize skill w a tool is paramount, but at the same time a poor tool is a huge discouragement. But yea you're right. It doesn't take a lot of fancy tools. Agree 100% Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Looks very good so far, congrats!
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