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Old 03-05-2016, 04:15 PM
KingCavalier KingCavalier is offline
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Default Buffer buildup issue

Hi all,

Any idea what would cause a buildup to form while buffing
Maybe buildup isn't the correct term. For whatever reason
I'm left with a residue that forms on the guitar while I try to buff

My buffer is homemade, the buffs are 12" Canton wheels from SM
I'm using Menzerna medium and fine Compounds after wet sanding to 1500

I wound up trying to clean the residue with Naphtha in between
sessions. It did work to remove the residue but the end result isn't what
I'm looking for.

I'm thinking the wheel speed is too slow.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

SA
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Old 03-05-2016, 04:45 PM
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I'm a furniture refinisher but lacquer is lacquer so the same general principle should apply. When I buff out a table top I use one pad with compound to buff the surface and then follow with a clean dry pad to remove any residue and even up the sheen. If you are using a fine and ultra fine compound you might need 3 pads. The last one should be absolutely clean and dry.

If you have compound build up use water not naphtha to clean up the residue. Follow with a clean soft dry Rag.

You can get your pads pretty clean by rinsing with water and then spin dry on the buffer. Be sure to aim away from yourself or anything that does not need a shower.


It is possible to melt the lacquer and cause swirl ridges if you let it run too long or get too hot. I usually only buff for 30 seconds or so then run the buffer in the air to cool it off. Mine runs pretty dang fast though.
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Old 03-05-2016, 05:22 PM
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Thank you johna2u, I did forget to mention it's nitro.
I'll go with water like you suggested, that makes more sense to me.

SA
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Old 03-05-2016, 05:38 PM
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That should work great then. Nitrocellulose lacquer buffs out really nice. Same principle applies to a poly finish as well. I buffed out my Taylor and it worked fine.
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Old 03-06-2016, 07:01 AM
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SA with using the 12" wheels I am assuming you are using the dry buffing compounds? The reply from Johna2u sounds like he uses wet compound with a rotary buffer, if so the advice might not work as expected.

If you are using the dry compound the compound should powder relatively easily and leave more of a dusty residue in most places. Occasionally on edges there might be a little buildup with the more waxy bars but it has been fairly rare for me. The biggest thing would be to let the finish totally cool after buffing before wiping it with anything since the warm nitro can easily scratch. Perhaps you tried to clean the residue off too soon? I have found that naphtha does work better than water for removing residue that built up in corners if it won't come off with a soft rag.

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Old 03-06-2016, 07:46 AM
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What speed are you running your buffs at?

Did you break them in?

Sounds like you may be using too much compound. Buffing with an arbor is a little different than doing it with a handheld polisher.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:01 AM
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SA with using the 12" wheels I am assuming you are using the dry buffing compounds? The reply from Johna2u sounds like he uses wet compound with a rotary buffer, if so the advice might not work as expected.

If you are using the dry compound the compound should powder relatively easily and leave more of a dusty residue in most places. Occasionally on edges there might be a little buildup with the more waxy bars but it has been fairly rare for me. The biggest thing would be to let the finish totally cool after buffing before wiping it with anything since the warm nitro can easily scratch. Perhaps you tried to clean the residue off too soon? I have found that naphtha does work better than water for removing residue that built up in corners if it won't come off with a soft rag.

Kent
That is why I always start my advice posts with "I am a furniture refinisher". There are definite differences in techniques and materials used. Thanks for stepping in and adding that info.

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Old 03-06-2016, 10:39 AM
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If it's dry compound, the last thing I do is rake the buffs and do a final pass. This usually removes almost all the dusty build up.
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Old 03-07-2016, 09:34 PM
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My buffer doesn't run all that fast and I usually use an old violin fingerboard to heat up the wheel before I buff, seems to make it smoother somehow.
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:03 AM
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Thanks for the help everyone!
I changed the gear ratio on my buffer to get some more speed.
It's working a lot better now.

SA
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