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I've no issue with anyone not doing it themselves... |
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I think the biggest misconception among those who don't know about set ups is going straight to a truss adjustment for action. But we all know here that it is actually saddle, nut and then truss rod for getting optimal playability. Guess where I learned that? Right here on AGF. You weren't at least a little bit intimidated by performing your first truss rod adjustment? I wasn't, but only because it was the cheapest and most awful acoustic I've ever owned. That is where I performed my first adjustments. But would I be nervous on a Furch if it were my first guitar? Yes I think I would be. Not only this, many of us learn the hard way what we think is good playability, until we play something that actually has it. Everything is learned by experience and now I set up my own guitars, no problem. |
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Personally I picked up a no-brand acoustuc when I was 16 and there was no one around to tell me what to do with it. About 8 years ago I was upgrading my then-guitat, a low cost yamaha, to a Martin D17M, and I knew enough that I should get it set up which I did, but that was the height of it. Then this year/last year I did some reading up on set ups. Motivated by the fact that every where was closed so there was no place to get my new 000 adjusted. Ultimately I did bring it to a guy who did a not so great job. By then I had my D18. Decided to invest in some tools and do them myself (saddle shaver was the only costly one). For the record, more nervous than on my wedding night. Casual players don't tend to know or care about this stuff. Those of us who are "into" guitars do. And most shops sell 'em to .out people without talking about it at all or by advising people not to mess with it themselves. They by and large don't come with instructions either.
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The usual disclaimers apply......IMHO, YMMV etc.
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It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to adjust a truss rod. It's probably best for someone to receive a little instruction beforehand. The wrong sized wrench can strip the nut. It's possible to damage the truss rod on some guitars if wrenched too hard.
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My point is that my experience has taught me that by the time someone is spending that kind of money on a guitar, they've been buying guitars long enough so that they are, at the very least, aware of what a truss rod does. That didn't seem to be the case in the OP's video, and I just thought that was strange... |
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One day when I was at his house for a theory lesson, he was trying to patch in an Overdrive pedal... He asked me if I could take a look, as it wasn't working.. The problem was... he couldn't quite figure out the cabling with "input" and "output". I was kind of stunned that tossed him, given his talent level as a player and instructor.
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I am glad I asked Tommy to play it, because had I not, who knows how much longer I would have went without knowing of such a simple concept. Regardless, this was definitely a learning experience, and going forward general setup and maintenance is definitely something I’m going to cater to for this guitar to keep it playing like new. Hope that clears up some confusion (doubting it does but that’s okay!) Last edited by Perro; 10-04-2021 at 08:36 AM. |
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https://www.bryankimsey.com/setup/
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Relief first (via the truss rod) because that's what will prevent string buzz while giving you lowest possible action once you've set the other variables. The range I've seen when you fret 1 and 12, is between 0.005" - 0.012" on the 6th fret. If you have a strong right hand attack you'll want to be at the upper end, if you use a light attack you can go to the lower end. I have mine right around 0.008" and I don't get buzzing even when I strum firmly, but I don't "Pete Townshend Windmill" either. Relief is first because, since you're using the first and twelfth fret as anchor points, it's a true(ish) measure of the neck's relief independent of nut slot depth and saddle height, you've taken them out of the equation. Nut slot depth is second because it does have an effect on action, so you want this dialed in before you adjust the saddle. However this has the least variable of movement. Meaning the top of your guitar rising/falling from changes in humidity, or a string tension change, will have an effect measurable at the saddle but not at the nut. So you want to get the first fret clearance dialed in next. Music Nomad's set recommends 0.020" for E and A, 0.018" for G and D, and 0.016" for B and e. I have mine at about 0.018" for all wound strings, and 0.016" for the plain strings. Final step is saddle for action at the 12th fret, and only after you've dialed in relief and nut slot depth. Because if you don't, and then you have to adjust either one later, you're going to have to adjust your saddle again. Be sure to keep the bottom level as you're sanding to maintain best possible contact with the bridge, I can tell you from firsthand mista...experience that an un-level bottom of the saddle will have a detrimental effect on tone.
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By the time someone drops a few grand on an instrument, it's probably a fair bet that they've been around guitars for a while. I guess I assume that someone who invests that kind of money into a guitar is going to have a bit more knowledge about the guitar he's buying... |
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I haven't read everyone else's post in this thread, but a guitar usually needs a setup after its been purchased. Its a 3 way reconciliation of neck relief (what TE showed you), nut slot depth and the saddle height. It's not brain surgery, but the person who is doing it should have more than a clue on how to do it.
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