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and have said so several times in this thread. I just do not have an aversion to adjusting in solo and then listening in context per.se. . But listening in solo and then adjusting in context is a great suggestion also , and I actually do that for the most part. For example as far as EQ and compression, even if on a specific track I basically always make any adjustment in full context But to clarify I was speaking more to things like say for example a vocal de-essing . Now obviously learning the mic technique of ducking a bit when singing an (S) sound will do the most. BUT when a hissy (S) sound does get through, that I can hear in context. I find it helpful to solo the vocal and automate a single band narrow Q --EQ to reduce the peak of the hiss, BUT then as you say immediately audition in context -- As opposed to simply slapping an de-eser plugin on the entire track
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Cant help but notice how threads on compression always seem to be popular here on AGF. For me, it stems from a desire to better understand this process; in theory and in the studio. I have gathered a very basic understanding from using different pedals, rack mounts, and plug-ins in a “learn on the job” manner. Seems to me that good application of compression is often very subtle and difficult to dial in. I love these threads because after hearing the many angles, I inch slowly closer to a true understanding.
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Before mixing I always solo each track from beginning to end to catch noises, clicks from punch-ins and those types of problems. I want to know on which track they reside.
I don't solo anything once I start mixing. If I can't hear an effect or change to an effect in the context of a mix when added then why add it, why change it? |
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I'm not going to speak of myself but I have many accomplished friends in this biz and none of them spend time on forums pulling rank on people. I never see them shut down other people's methods (especially industry norms) or talk down to people as a means of selling their authority. In fact, a lot of them don't post on forums because they tire of people doing that. Last edited by Bowie; 03-22-2024 at 06:40 PM. |
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It's kind of ironic, given that the acoustic is an instrument that often gets little or no compression.
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#2 above is solid advice also. |
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How I meant that & should have stated it to better convey my tone was: soloing during mixing doesn't work for me. I also know it doesn't work for any of my friends who are far more experienced, and I use that as a guide to see if I'm on the right track. I know trying to adjust things in the context of a full mix is hard, but the only way to get better at it is to do it. Sure, it will be hard at first, but everything gets easier with practice. I promise to try to express myself better in the future.
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I think we're on the same page. And I get it, the solo for a minute helps focus you on the sound you're dealing with. We all start there.The step after that is not needing to solo at all to make mix adjustments...but like anything else, it requires practice. That's all I really mean. If you want to be able to do that, you have to do it. It's the practice that makes it possible.
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Not to mention even some of the people doing solo instrumental acoustic guitar have stated they sometimes use compression Myself I more often than not, have a comp on the vocal track and one on the mix bus for the entire mix ---
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For me, and it's only me, this is a very unusual observation. |
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Also, hearing compression on a commercial recording isn't the same as mixing. Keep in mind how much compression takes place in mastering. I've been surprised at times when someone told me they didn't use mix compression on an acoustic track that clearly has some compression. |
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There are undoubtedly many "guys in the business" ( I assume you mean professional engineers ) who use no compression ( but again using "little compression " is still using compression is it not ? ) Just as there are also undoubtedly "pro's" who do use compression on acoustic guitar and thus again I still do not see much "irony" involved in a general discussion of compression on AGF, which was my point . Also if you did not already know :: both Joseph Hanna and Steve=DupleMeter have decades of experience as professional engineers as well as probably years of talking with their peers. I am betting they understand the distinction between compression in mixing and in mastering --juss sayin'
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Duplicate post (form bugged).
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