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Old 06-17-2017, 05:35 AM
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Default The Future of Carbon is Ekoa? (A Factory Tour on Blackbird)


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This film shows that Ekoa is more vibrant and needs a little carbon support to make instruments stronger and give it vintage sound for beachparties and Snowboard gathering. The film is very interesting: Ingeneering at its best, fascinating to see how they produce and how they think about the products they make.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmmQcMlelbA

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Old 06-17-2017, 05:44 AM
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" We can make something that sound better than wood its just a matter of engineering."

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Old 06-17-2017, 06:01 AM
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Is he saying:

The future of Carbon is Ekoa mixed with carbon? or maybe the futur of carbon is carbon? I wonder what competition will do, blackbird are the forerunners right now. Probably there will be copy cats maybe from low income nations who knows?



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Old 06-17-2017, 07:03 AM
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There own thoughts is: EKOA is the future: https://www.blackbirdguitar.com/blog...s-carbon-fiber

more here: https://www.blackbirdguitar.com/blog...nsile-strength
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Interesting tour. I enjoy seeing how these are made... and especially appreciated the comment: "better than wood."
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Old 06-17-2017, 04:49 PM
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" We can make something that sound better than wood its just a matter of engineering."
Not sure that I would use those words? Sound is a little too subjective to use the words better?
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:29 PM
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If Ekoa is better than wood or Carbon why not just say what you feel, what is wrong with being "subjective"? The Blackbird boss spend many years developing new ideas and he think its a good product. I cant see why he should be "objective" about it.

Ekoa might be the future material for stringed instruments why? becouse it sounds better and is stronger than wood.

thats subjective and ppl can debate it, which is OK.

Some plastic ukulelles sounds very good that is subjective no reason not to be subjective about it.
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:34 PM
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The real problem is:

If you want to debate good sound you should not make videos for youtube, you should send a soundbite to bandsamp. Youtube destroys good sound because they compress the fiels so much. So Blackbird needs to proove the point they are making about

"Ekoa is better than wood"

Have a blidetest comparison same guitarist playing El Capitan and say a Good TAylor guitar A- B testing like in this video (which should not be a video) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ6iyWSEzIs
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I believe that it is by definition incorrect usage to make an inherently objective statement like "we could make something that sounds better than wood", or to say, for example, "wood sounds better than carbon fiber" or "carbon fiber sounds better than wood" or "ekoa sounds better than carbon fiber" or any other similar statement without qualifiers such as "to who" and "by what standard". All judgments of that nature are inherently subjective and are a matter of taste and personal opinion (see definition below). It would be correct usage to say, for example, that one believes it's possible to make a guitar out of something other than wood that some people would prefer to the sound of wood. And that, of course, is already the case.

sub·jec·tive
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based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
"his views are highly subjective"
synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive
"a subjective analysis"

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Joe (from Blackbird) owns the patent on ekoa, makes guitars from it, earns his living by promoting it, etc. Not a mystery why he would speak as he does. Any salesperson would do so, subjective or not. In his case, I'm sure he believes it's true.

His job is to sell ekoa. Our job is to play his guitars and decide if he's right!
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His job is to sell ekoa. Our job is to play his guitars and decide if he's right!

And--- sell Carbon Fiber guitars as well... really great ones.
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Old 06-18-2017, 07:59 AM
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JOe wants to sell, that is very OK. National Resophonics, Martin, Gibson etc wants to sell too. Id like to HEAR music, but these days ints more interesting to SEE the musician for some reason. Im OK with that too.

Seeing Mike Dowling or Bob Brozman with a NR axe is wonderfull

But If you want to sell a guitar its not the looks of the musician, its the sound we want to hear. Bandcamp have very good options for high quality recordings or other palces using Flacc format with no killing of bass and overtones. If they do that the sellers the debate is better but still subjective.

Its possible to store sound better palces than youtube.

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Sound cloud says that if you download the file, you get the original non-compressed version that was uploaded by the user. But, that might cause copyright problems; it's a bit of a jungle out there at the moment.
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complicated, why? Making money off the internet is not easy. Except for spyware, commercials and spotify I guess.
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