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Old 03-23-2019, 07:13 AM
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Default BEHRINGER PMP 500M powered mixer for Acoustic.

Hello,
Please advise, I am thinking of buying the berhinger power mixer 5 chanel input for my acoustic electric guitar and mic, to be played at home and family reunions.
Does anyone own one of this units? As you see, I don’t need a lot of power but I want very good quality sound.
How are the built-in FX reverb, delays, chorus in the berhinger’s for acoustic guitar. Are they any good?
What other amplifier would you subjest with good built-in FX for guitar and mic for my needs?
My budget is around 400-500 dollars.
Thank you very much for all your help!
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Old 03-23-2019, 04:45 PM
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I used to own and use a Behringer powered mixer and was very pleased with it. It functioned as intended, was quiet, was feature-rich for its price point, and was relatively lightweight. Other powered mixers are made by Peavey, Yamaha, and Mackie, and by a few lesser known brands. At the same price point as the Behringer they may offer less power or fewer effects; Behringer tries to offer more features for the same price as other brands.
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:31 AM
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My experience with Behringer products would imply the more features (and associated switches and LEDs there are) the sooner it will give you problems.

There will be many I'm sure who will have used the same Behringer gear since 1804 with no issues and I'm glad for them, but probability is not on your side.

A simple Yamaha/Mackie/Soundcraft (in that order) mixer and a powered speaker (not Alto - same issue) would stack the odds more in your favour.
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My experience with Behringer products would imply the more features (and associated switches and LEDs there are) the sooner it will give you problems.

There will be many I'm sure who will have used the same Behringer gear since 1804 with no issues and I'm glad for them, but probability is not on your side.

A simple Yamaha/Mackie/Soundcraft (in that order) mixer and a powered speaker (not Alto - same issue) would stack the odds more in your favour.
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Behringer equipment before a decade ago was sometimes problematic.

After they acquired Midas and it's technology, Behringer gear & technology (particularly their mixer line and digital interfaces) improved substantially.

Uni Behringer, like Kustom Amps, Pete Traynor (Traynor Amps) and Hartley Peavey started out building low end gear (often cheaply made), but poured money back into the company, learned, and hired more qualified engineers…and have improved the quality.

Behringer currently (2019) own Midas, Klark Teknik, Bugera and Turbosound (formerly owned by Harman). The technology advances in their higher end companies is allowed to trickle down into the Behringer lines, which is keeping great technology into the player's hands at affordable prices.



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Old 03-25-2019, 02:57 PM
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Behringer equipment before a decade ago was sometimes problematic.

After they acquired Midas and it's technology, Behringer gear & technology (particularly their mixer line and digital interfaces) improved substantially.

Uni Behringer, like Kustom Amps, Pete Traynor (Traynor Amps) and Hartley Peavey started out building low end gear (often cheaply made), but poured money back into the company, learned, and hired more qualified engineers…and have improved the quality.

Behringer currently (2019) own Midas, Klark Teknik, Bugera and Turbosound (formerly owned by Harman). The technology advances in their higher end companies is allowed to trickle down into the Behringer lines, which is keeping great technology into the player's hands at affordable prices.



Fair comment.

I should have narrowed my point down to "cheap Behringer gear" rather than just "Behringer gear". They make disposable electronics which is of little interest to me.

I don't think I'm a gear snob, everything you say is true but I suspect the benefit accrued from buying up those hard earned reputations is as much in the marketing dept. than the engineering. I like to think of myself as wary rather than dismissive but I remain to be convinced that anything worthwhile will "trickle down". However, I agree there is truth in what you say.
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Old 03-26-2019, 08:50 AM
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Probability IS on your side. If the majority of them failed, they'd be off the market. I play in a trio that uses a Behringer mixer (not sure what model, don't really care) that does what we need it to gig after gig. I admit, it wasn't a choice, really, just what we had/have on hand. If there's any concern, it's that Behringer warranty service can be difficult to get. But probably no worse than the others ... Mackie, Yamaha, etc.
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Old 03-26-2019, 03:19 PM
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Probability IS on your side. If the majority of them failed, they'd be off the market. I play in a trio that uses a Behringer mixer (not sure what model, don't really care) that does what we need it to gig after gig. I admit, it wasn't a choice, really, just what we had/have on hand. If there's any concern, it's that Behringer warranty service can be difficult to get. But probably no worse than the others ... Mackie, Yamaha, etc.
50+% can't really be called reliable, neither for audio gear nor car brakes.

Do remember that for those folks who do fall foul of Behringer's (historically) dodgy QC dept. the low price is not much of a bargain when you factor in lost gigs and a replacement.

I really don't want to overplay this point, there are many happy Berry customers and their more recent higher end gear doesn't suffer from the same level of carelessness but as far as an audience is concerned anything less than 100% is failure.
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50+% can't really be called reliable, neither for audio gear nor car brakes.

Do remember that for those folks who do fall foul of Behringer's (historically) dodgy QC dept. the low price is not much of a bargain when you factor in lost gigs and a replacement.

I really don't want to overplay this point, there are many happy Berry customers and their more recent higher end gear doesn't suffer from the same level of carelessness but as far as an audience is concerned anything less than 100% is failure.
Not at all sure where you came up with your 50% figure, as I'm sure the failure rate is lot closer to zero than it is to 50%! Heard all of this many times. Funny though, that mixer keeps going after 100's of gigs. Any PA, from any manufacturer can drop dead in the middle of a gig. It's fashionable in muso circles to crap on Behringer. And for some of their products, deservedly so.

The gist of my post was that the odds are a buyer will not have an issue with a new Behringer mixer.
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Old 03-27-2019, 07:24 AM
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Like most FX-equipped mixers (powered or unpowered) you are limited to one FX setting, and then you can adjust he amount of FX on each channel (mic, guitar).

Since you say this is for home/family use only, I think you would be better served with an acoustic guitar amp such as the Fender Acoustisonic 90, which has selectable FX for the mic and guitar separately. There are other combo amp choices, too of course. OR get one that has limited FX and a coupled of FX stompboxes for the guitar.
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I don't have any Behringer powered gear but a friend of mine owns a music shop that also does sound system installations and sells several brands of equipment. What he told me several years ago was that the Behringer gear with a power section (combo amps, heads, and powered mixers) had a higher rate of failure than other brands that he carried.

Hopefully it has improved in quality over the last 10 years. I'm sure those early years gave them ample time to improve reliability.
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Old 03-27-2019, 10:13 AM
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Not at all sure where you came up with your 50% figure,
I got it here...

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Heard all of this many times.
Funny that, doesn't it make you wonder?


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Any PA, from any manufacturer can drop dead in the middle of a gig.
Some manufacturers have "send them out - deal with the returns" as part of their business model, like British cars in the '70s. Others have "get it right before it leaves the factory" as theirs, like Japanese cars in the '70s.

Reputations are deservedly built and destroyed on the outcomes.

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Mmm.

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The gist of my post was that the odds are a buyer will not have an issue with a new Behringer mixer.
Agreed.

However, my local music shop doesn't have a casino licence.
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Hopefully it has improved in quality over the last 10 years. I'm sure those early years gave them ample time to improve reliability.

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They have.

It did.
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I got it here...
I did NOT say 50% ... (99% is also a majority, in case you're numerically challenged).

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Funny that, doesn't it make you wonder?
Yeah, it does, but there's no lack of "parrots" on the internet, most with NO experience to back up their (actually others) opinions. Look man, I don't care what YOU use. I can only relate my EXPERIENCE with Behringer. And if you want to argue my experience, then ... pffft ...

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I did NOT say 50% ... (99% is also a majority, in case you're numerically challenged).


Yeah, it does, but there's no lack of "parrots" on the internet, most with NO experience to back up their (actually others) opinions. Look man, I don't care what YOU use. I can only relate my EXPERIENCE with Behringer. And if you want to argue my experience, then ... pffft ...
I'm quite happy to acknowledge that there is no better person to judge your personal experience than yourself, however, I wouldn't want to base a buying decision on one man's testimony, particularly one who seems content to settle for a majority of units being fit for purpose.

It's relatively easy to pick out those with relevant experience and a discerning eye/ear/wallet. My personal choice is to buy once and wisely and I have a fair idea where the informed opinions are, and aren't.
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Old 03-28-2019, 05:07 AM
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Hello everyone and thank you, guau! so much to learn!

I live in Argentina, so I dont have a way to send back equipment or take advantage of guarranties, here there's no service by factory.
Today I am traveling to Nebraska and after to California, USA So with all answers in mind, probably I will have to purchase something with good reputacion altogether.
I am thinking of a Yamaha mixer with FX and a yamaha PA DBR 10"
What do you think of that equipment?

Is it true that I can only use one Effect at the same time? So, if I want reverb and delay at the same time on my guitar can not do it?

I am so new at all this, and need a lot of advise, thak you all! Jhony
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