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Old 06-28-2022, 08:51 PM
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Default Gefell M300 and Schoeps CMC6 comparison

I've had a pair of the Schoeps CMC6 with MK4 capsules on loan, so I thought it would be fun to do a comparison video with my own Gefell M300s.



I setup both mics in spaced pair and plugged them into my Zoom H6. I would have liked to have used my Babyface or something higher end, but the Zoom is the only thing I have with 4 inputs, and I wanted an even playing field preamp wise.

I tried to get the stereo balance between pairs of mics the same, but you may hear some slight differences between the two clips. I recorded both pairs at the same time, then cut back and forth between the two sets of mics.

I actually did the cutting back and forth in Final Cut after level matching the tracks in Logic, and I think FC didnt make the smoothest transition b/t a few of the clips. But I think its enough that you get the idea.

I'd be interested in how other folks that use Final Cut might do something like this. Its easy in the Angle Viewer to cut b/t two different audio sources, which is then visible on the timeline. Its then easy to add the on screen labels for "Mic A" and "Mic B". I guess the other option would be to make the cuts in Logic, but then it would be harder to line up the on screen labels in FC.

Anyways, I hope this is useful and informative for some folks. I know these two mics are mentioned often here on the forum, especially the Schoeps. Comparing mics like this in real time is always fun.

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Old 06-28-2022, 09:18 PM
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I've had a pair of the Schoeps CMC6 with MK41 capsules on loan, so I thought it would be fun to do a comparison video with my own Gefell M300s....
I think you might have the MK4 capsules there boss
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Old 06-28-2022, 09:28 PM
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Oh dang how did i miss that. Guess i better make a correction in the video description
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Very close. For a guess I'd say M300 on B since perhaps it sounds a bit warmer, a bit less detail.
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I actually did the cutting back and forth in Final Cut after level matching the tracks in Logic, and I think FC didnt make the smoothest transition b/t a few of the clips. But I think its enough that you get the idea.

I'd be interested in how other folks that use Final Cut might do something like this. Its easy in the Angle Viewer to cut b/t two different audio sources, which is then visible on the timeline. Its then easy to add the on screen labels for "Mic A" and "Mic B". I guess the other option would be to make the cuts in Logic, but then it would be harder to line up the on screen labels in FC.
First thanks for posting

Me ...Rather than cutting back and forth while continuing the the flow of the song audio .
I would have cut back and forth on the same short sections of audio (in order that the comparison be A/B on the same exact section of the song ) which would eliminate another variable and make the comparison even more accurate ....
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Old 06-29-2022, 08:59 AM
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Yea thats a good point Kev, that might be a better way to do it. I'll remember that when i do another mic comparison video.
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Old 06-29-2022, 12:26 PM
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I would have cut back and forth on the same short sections of audio (in order that the comparison be A/B on the same exact section of the song ) which would eliminate another variable and make the comparison even more accurate ....
I'm not opposed to that but IMO if you need to listen that closely to discern, then the mics are effectively the same

I preferred mic A a little bit but not enough that I would switch if I already owned one or the other.
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Old 06-29-2022, 12:59 PM
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The mic reveal is in the bottom of the Youtube video description, if you are dying to know.
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Old 06-29-2022, 07:28 PM
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They're so close that, for me, which ever mic is which is irrelevant.
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Old 06-29-2022, 08:30 PM
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Hi Anton,

Thanks for doing the comparison! I also use a pair of m300's. they are very detailed, yet smooth sounding. I see no need to upgrade at this point.

I love your playing and the sound of your guitar!

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Old 06-29-2022, 11:53 PM
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Very interesting comparison. Thanks for this!

I thought the two mics sounded remarkably similar. With my eyes closed I had a hard time telling when the mics were switched. There were variations in volume but I think that was more due to playing differences than the mics.

Obviously, these are both excellent microphone pairs.

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I'm not opposed to that but IMO if you need to listen that closely to discern, then the mics are effectively the same

I preferred mic A a little bit but not enough that I would switch if I already owned one or the other.
I am confused,,, "not opposed" to what ? An effort to make something more accurate and detectable ? Seems to me would the same amount of benefit regardless of the differential factor, would it not ?

Or perhaps even arguably the reverse concept is true ,, the closer or more subtle the difference, the more critical the need for accuracy for the comparison to be informative ..Or am I missing something ?
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I am confused,,, "not opposed" to what ? An effort to make something more accurate and detectable ? Seems to me would the same amount of benefit regardless of the differential factor, would it not ?

Or perhaps even arguably the reverse concept is true ,, the closer or more subtle the difference, the more critical the need for accuracy for the comparison to be informative ..Or am I missing something ?
I just mean that I think I hear differences better when I hear the mics switch than when I listen to complete takes of one or the other in sequence
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Old 06-30-2022, 12:18 PM
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Anton,

Thanks so much for doing this comparison. I own both a pair of KM184s and M300s and I can hear the difference between these mics. One is not better than the other but I (like many others) do find the KM184s a bit brighter.

Like others above, I really cannot hear a difference between the M300s and the CMC6 Mk 4s in the home recording environment you used for the demo. Perhaps if there is a significant difference between the mics, youd only be able to discern it if you did the recording in a studio with industry benchmark acoustics.

And the really good news is you probably saved me $3,400 by quashing the MAS I was feeling towards the Schoep mics !
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Old 06-30-2022, 12:42 PM
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Nice comparison, Anton. Over the years, I've had pairs of both at the same time. I found them to have a bit more difference, even using mic placements very similar to the ones you used. Curious. I suspect differences would be more apparent with sharper transients, but that's just speculation.

I believe Pair A is the Gefells and Pair B is the Schoeps.
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