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I definitely sense a bit of bias here and possibly some negativity towards the Voiceprint, especially with regards to the need for an iphone or ipad. I am trying to keep an open mind until I purchase and try it. Again, I think the Tonedexter is fantastic but it's just not a "plug and play" option for me. I am hoping the VP is easier to make work live.
I unfortunately don't own a magnetic pickup, but just for fun, I would still like to hear how the VP sounds with one. |
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You can actually use the VoicePrint with any microphone you want.
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I found the MV88 worked very well, tho it varied. With some guitars/attempts, the phone mics work better, other times, the MV88 won. The mics in the phone appear to be quite good for this task - they're relatively flat, and could be seen as "measurement mics". I've also used a Duet to bring in a "real" mic, and surprisingly had less luck with that, tho maybe I just need to try harder.
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That's interesting . . . no wonder the iPhones cost so much.
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I have a few questions for someone with IR experience.
— Any of your IR’s get hollow as you turn them up louder? Mine sound good at low volumes, but very hollow and bass heavy as I turn up. - Anyone using them with a Bose S1 Pro? |
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Measurement mics don't have to be "good" sounding. The one many people use is the Behringer ECM8000, which runs $29. The important thing is that it be relatively flat, full range response, AND have a known response curve that can be compensated for. (That doesn't mean it will make a good recording.) Because the iphone mic is a known quantity, it can work fine for this type of application. There are various acoustic measurement apps on the iPhone that work quite well as another use case. It also probably helps that they're omni, so you don't get into proximity effect issues when using them to train (or for any other measurement purpose)
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James May made the new ToneDexter anti-feedback capabilities sound very impressive in that the available single-dial frequency cuts do a good job of matching the guitar's natural resonant frequency boosts. To be fair, Lloyd Baggs was also very enthusiastic about the VoicePrint's anti-feedback capabilities. |
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Let's do some math...
Three generations of iPhone in common usage to support, 4 physical versions with different bill-of-materials, and every part, including the mic, second sourced. 3x4x2 or 24 mics to have tested to make sure your EQ compensation is correct... IMO mic selection is distant second to mic placement and I think the iPhone mics are pretty good overall. But to assume Baggs has this well tested and under control is pure marketing BS. VP maybe the better product for any or most individuals, but there is no way I would take their demos and talking as proof for my personal usage. You need to try it. I am in particular suspicious of any claim about automatic EQ or feedback suppression. I've yet to hear one I thought I sounded as good as a phase reversal button and a low cut knob. ToneDexter's algorithmically understandable split IR (bass/treble) along with minimum phase made possible by storing the entire frequency domain IR in the pedal and having the DSP resident to mine it real time (this is important!) impresses. No IR loader with some number of fixed IRs is competitive with this in the real world where every stage is unique. All configurable through a neat mapping onto one knob they call "character" strikes me as a truly user friendly user interface that will always add value, sound musical, and by the nature of the math something that doesn't need infinite system test to know its goodness.
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Jon,
Room acoustics will no doubt play a role with the feedback issue, but I'm hopeful that knowing the guitar's natural resonant peaks and being able to counter them with a single-knob control will be substantially helpful. In any event, I'm hopeful that user feedback (or non-feedback feedback) will answer that question eventually. |
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When you refer to a split IR, are you saying that TD's bass and treble controls can be used to raise or lower a certain frequency range rather evenly, as opposed to behaving like a bass and treble control usually behave? (ie., A typical bass control would roll off much more at 80Hz than at 160Hz, while 160Hz might be where the actual boominess problem is.)
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[For full disclosure I sold my TD because I didn't use it. I get good enough sound from the K&K and a preamp.]
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