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Old 01-13-2019, 12:20 PM
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Hi there,
Im new to this forum.

Thanks for the great informations and tips from everyone !!!
My name is Dirk and Im from germany, so excuse my english.

Based on recommendations from this Forum and a little bit of research I finally completed my acousticguitar rig. Well for now.
So I just made a fast and dry recording. One file is the direct sound of the pickups (K&K pure mini and Fishman rare earth blend) and the other file is a small condenser microphone (Audiotechnica MB4000C).

Only EQ has been used.

Can you guess the recording method ?

Here is the link:
www.polyphon-recording.de\testmicdirect.zip

Greetings Dirk
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Old 01-13-2019, 12:48 PM
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The second file sounds more clear and detailed to me, so I'm guessing its the mic.

Congrats to you, whichever one is the K&K/mag rig, it sounds pretty darn good and will serve you well at gigs - without the proximity problems of close miking or the feedback invitation of more distant miking.
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Old 01-13-2019, 12:52 PM
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I was surprised at how close they were, I thought for sure I would pick out the mag/K&K set up. With that said, I am listening on crappy laptop speakers. I would guess the mic as test b as well.
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How were they recorded ? Into a mixer and what software? Thanks, just wondering and sound darn good
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I'd say B is the mic to, crisper attack and more dynamics, but I agree they both sound good. I have the exact same pickup combo :-)
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Old 01-13-2019, 01:33 PM
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Both recordings sound really good! I'm going to say that the mic alone recording is the first one, A.
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Yeah, A sounds like the mic to me. But B sounds pretty good, too. I assume this involved a fair bit of EQ, perhaps matching the pickup to the mic?
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After reading SpruceTop's and Doug's posts, I'm second guessing myself. B has more of an in-your-face and intimate feel. Maybe that is why I like it better. Whether or not its a mic, I'd be happy to record with that sound.
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How were they recorded ? Into a mixer and what software? Thanks, just wondering and sound darn good
Signal path pickups:

Each pickup goes through an Artec Graphic EQ pedal (3) - Bose T1 Tonematch - Yamaha MD4 Mixer - Motu 1224 - Adobe Audition

Well the Software doesnt matter :-)

Signal path Microphone

About 5 to 6 inches in front of the 14 fret pointing towards the soundhole.


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I was surprised at how close they were, I thought for sure I would pick out the mag/K&K set up. With that said, I am listening on crappy laptop speakers. I would guess the mic as test b as well.
I was surprised too :-)
Yesterday I made the first comparison. Today I thought I have to share this cause I was pretty happy with the sound ! I did a lot of tweaking with the EQ till the sound I heard from the Amp was matching the natural tone of the guitar as close as possible.


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Yeah, A sounds like the mic to me. But B sounds pretty good, too. I assume this involved a fair bit of EQ, perhaps matching the pickup to the mic?
Yes EQ was my friend and a lot of it :-)
The K&K needed the most eq especially in the bass area. The other Pickups mainly around 280 to 800Hz.

The pickup recording got a little cut in the 10kHz to 20kHz region to match the microphone afterwards. I maybe could have done it with the Bose.
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Old 01-14-2019, 05:50 AM
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So which recording was which, you didn't say :-)
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:18 PM
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I think A is direct, and sounds great to me,
and B is mic'ed.
There seems to be more air in the B recording as far as I can tell on these crummy computer speakers.
What did I win? Bahahaha
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Hi there,
Im new to this forum.

Thanks for the great informations and tips from everyone !!!
My name is Dirk and Im from germany, so excuse my english.

Based on recommendations from this Forum and a little bit of research I finally completed my acousticguitar rig. Well for now.
So I just made a fast and dry recording. One file is the direct sound of the pickups (K&K pure mini and Fishman rare earth blend) and the other file is a small condenser microphone (Audiotechnica MB4000C).

Only EQ has been used.

Can you guess the recording method ?

Here is the link:
www.polyphon-recording.de\testmicdirect.zip

Greetings Dirk
Hi Dirk,
The second one is the mic, but more importantly is that the little piece you're playing is very, very cool! Very nice articulation on your hammers & pull-off balanced with the frailing!

It sounds fine direct, and sounds okay on mic.

I hope it's going to grow into a whole composition!

Best regards,
Howard Emerson
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Old 01-15-2019, 12:05 PM
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SPOILER ALERT








File A: Pickups direct
File B: Microphone
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Old 01-15-2019, 12:26 PM
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I think A is direct, and sounds great to me,
and B is mic'ed.
There seems to be more air in the B recording as far as I can tell on these crummy computer speakers.
What did I win? Bahahaha
You won my homemade Burgerbun recipe:
Sorry everything in gramms

Dry ingredients: mix together
1000 gr Flour 405 (cakeflour I guess)
22 gr Sugar
22 gr Salt
14gr dry yeast

Wet ingredients: mix together
1000 gr Water (lukewarm)
30 gr Honey
75 gr Butter (melted)
2 eggs
15 gr beet syrup dont know the english word

Mix the dry and wet ingridients and let them rest till rissen. (about 1 hour)
Form balls (80-100) gramms. Add flower if dough is to sticky. Put them on a backing tray and use some oiled plastic wrap to cover them. Let them rise again for about 1-2 hours. press them down to flatten the dough (with the oiled wrap) then remove the wrap and brush them with a mix of (egg yolk and milk), add some sesame seeds. Bake for 15-20 min in a 329 F oven (till golden brown). after baking put them on a cooling rack and cover them with a towel. Enjoy !!!
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Old 01-15-2019, 12:41 PM
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You won my homemade Burgerbun recipe:
Sorry everything in gramms

Dry ingredients: mix together
1000 gr Flour 405 (cakeflour I guess)
22 gr Sugar
22 gr Salt
14gr dry yeast

Wet ingredients: mix together
1000 gr Water (lukewarm)
30 gr Honey
75 gr Butter (melted)
2 eggs
15 gr beet syrup dont know the english word

Mix the dry and wet ingridients and let them rest till rissen. (about 1 hour)
Form balls (80-100) gramms. Add flower if dough is to sticky. Put them on a backing tray and use some oiled plastic wrap to cover them. Let them rise again for about 1-2 hours. press them down to flatten the dough (with the oiled wrap) then remove the wrap and brush them with a mix of (egg yolk and milk), add some sesame seeds. Bake for 15-20 min in a 329 F oven (till golden brown). after baking put them on a cooling rack and cover them with a towel. Enjoy !!!
329 F??? That's hilarious!
I'm retired from the restaurant industry after 40 plus years and that temp is a first.
You're OK with me, Dirk. I'll let you know how these Burgerbuns work out.
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