The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Classical

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 12-11-2018, 03:23 PM
SlimGeezer SlimGeezer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 14
Default Cordoba vs. Pavan

Does anyone have experience with both the Cordoba and Pavan. I tried a Cordoba C10 and a C12. Great guitars. I'm curious to know how the action of a Pavan TP-30 compares to the Cordobas.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-11-2018, 06:31 PM
hesson11 hesson11 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 862
Default

I've owned a Pavan TP-30 and have played many Cordobas. I'd say they are comparable in sound quality, but the Pavan seems to be a bit more refined in terms of craftsmanship. I think it would come down to the individual guitars in question. In my opinion, the action of a new guitar should have no bearing whatsoever in a purchasing decision. Action can be modified easily and expensively. I look at guitars the same way I look at suits: They all have to be tailored to fit the owner after the purchase. The Cordobas may have a bit of an advantage, though, because they have adjustable truss rods.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-11-2018, 07:10 PM
Tomo Tomo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 109
Default

I owned a TP-30 for several years, played it daily and think it is the best sounding guitars at that price level. I would not hesitate to buy one again. I don't have much experience with Cordoba. At the time I was playing nylon Cordoba were all lower level guitars.
__________________
Martin GPCPA4
Martin SWOMGT
Martin 000-15S
Taylor GC Custom
Avalon Legacy A25C
Guild GAD30RATB
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-11-2018, 09:12 PM
Skip Ellis Skip Ellis is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 616
Default

I've owned both and would go with the Pavan every time. Soundwise, maybe about even, craftmanship-wise the Pavan wins. Plus, you won't find a better guy than Tom Prisloe to work with.
__________________

2014 Martin 000-18, Brook Torridge, Homebrew Teles, Evans RE200 amp
Very understanding wife of 43 years
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-11-2018, 09:44 PM
SlimGeezer SlimGeezer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 14
Default

Great. Thanks. I've been struggling a long time with a 660 scale and was considering the TP-30-64. I don't think I'd be overcompensating on the reduced scale, but I am a little concerned about the narrower nut. I did try a Cordoba Torres 640. It seems okay, but I hope it will work out in the long run.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-12-2018, 06:59 AM
AndreF AndreF is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 675
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimGeezer View Post
Great. Thanks. I've been struggling a long time with a 660 scale and was considering the TP-30-64. I don't think I'd be overcompensating on the reduced scale,
I don't think so either. At all. Although going from 660 to 640 is almost an inch in length, you'll most likely perceive that change, playability wise, as very welcome.
The long scale was mostly introduced to cater to Segovia and the legion of concert level classical students and performers that he inspired. With a handle name like slimgeezer, I'm guessing you also don't have thick chubby fingers like he did.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimGeezer View Post
but I am a little concerned about the narrower nut. I did try a Cordoba Torres 640. It seems okay, but I hope it will work out in the long run.
The Pavans should all have the flat fingeboard and standard 2" or so classical nut width.
How much wider is the spacing at the nut on your long scale?

It can't be much more than a few mm above that. If so, that shouldn't be an issue for you either I would think. Even with high tension strings.
__________________
Best regards,
Andre
http://www.youtube.com/user/Gitfiddlemann
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-12-2018, 10:11 AM
SlimGeezer SlimGeezer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 14
Default

A 650 has a 52mm nut. 640 has a 50.

You're right. I have long thin fingers. And, according to my grandchildren, I am an old geezer, so I need every advantage I can get.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-27-2018, 05:48 PM
lpa53 lpa53 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Flat Rock, NC
Posts: 1,423
Default

I ordered Pavan years ago and returned it because it had a few defects. After that experience I didn't buy a classical for several years and didn't reconsider the Pavan at the time. I probably should have tried one again, but a local dealer carried what could be considered an equivalent, a Hill New World Player, and that's what I ended up getting. The Payer is in the same price range as the Pavan so you could consider that as an option.

Oh, I do agree that Tom Prisloe was definitely good to work with.
__________________
1967 Aria Classical
1974 Guild D50
2009 Kenny Hill New World Player Classical
2009 Hoffman SJ
2011 Hoffman SJ 12

https://paulashley.weebly.com/
https://www.youtube.com/c/PaulAshley
https://www.reverbnation.com/paulashley
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-30-2018, 04:48 PM
jimmy bookout jimmy bookout is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: charlotte, n.c.
Posts: 1,992
Default

I have a TP30-64 (640mm scale) spruce top and a Cordoba C10 Cedar. Not the same price range (a C10 can be had all day long for around $1K or sometimes a little under) but here are my thoughts.

The C10 is a nice guitar, very cleanly built, etc and a great value, especially for a gig guitar. My longtime playing partner, who gigs on nylon exclusively, used a pair of C10's (spruce and cedar) for years. MY C10 suffers the inexpensive classical bugaboo of TOO much bass (or not enough treble, I suppose) as did my playing partner's, but plugged in, they were fine. The low E in particular is just massive and overwhelms the rest of the guitar. The Pavan is beautifully balanced string to string, and is tonally just a better guitar. In fairness, the Pavan is $1,700 verses $1,000 (or less) so, as usual, there's no free lunch.

Quality of Construction is pretty similar on both, although the Pavan is noticeably lighter (no trussrod on the Pavan).

PS. My playing partner switched from his C10 about a year ago to a Hanika 54. This is a German made guitar in the $1,700 range, it is on par with a Pavan and again, a good deal better than a Cordoba (for MORE money).


All of the above is MY OPINION, as always, YMMV!
__________________
Voyage Air OM-4
Avian Skylark
Pono 0000-30SP
Neil Gardiner Parlor
Guild GAD D-150
Ramsay Classical
Cordoba C10 (Cedar top)
Eastman Pagelli PG2
Neil Gardiner Concert
Taylor Leo Kottke
Gretsch 6120-1959TV
Pavan TP-30-64

And the ukuleles:
Kanilea K3 Koa Super Concert
Kanilea K1 Walnut Tenor
Mainland Tenor
Willard Wixom Tenor
ALL LEFTIES

Last edited by jimmy bookout; 01-02-2019 at 02:11 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-18-2019, 08:12 PM
SlimGeezer SlimGeezer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 14
Default

Well, I finally decided to pull the trigger. I just got off the phone with Tom Prisloe -- ordered a spruce TP30-64. It's going to take a while to get it because he only has cedars in stock. So now the waiting game begins.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-18-2019, 08:51 PM
Tomo Tomo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 109
Default

You won't be disappointed. Great guitars.
__________________
Martin GPCPA4
Martin SWOMGT
Martin 000-15S
Taylor GC Custom
Avalon Legacy A25C
Guild GAD30RATB
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-19-2019, 10:17 AM
OldGuitarGuy OldGuitarGuy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 90
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimGeezer View Post
Well, I finally decided to pull the trigger. I just got off the phone with Tom Prisloe -- ordered a spruce TP30-64. It's going to take a while to get it because he only has cedars in stock. So now the waiting game begins.
I will be very interested to hear your thoughts on the TP30-64 once it is in your hands. I spoke with Tom last year but haven't made a decision on how to proceed. My hands are smallish. I have difficulty with standard neck size on a classical guitar. Tom suggested I try a shortscale. I'm not fond of the "try it out and return it" policy which is certainly a fair one, but I'd rather have the opportunity to try a variety of shortscale guitars before making a decision. I don't have that option where I live and would have to travel to Philadelphia to do so. Good luck.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-19-2019, 11:45 AM
SlimGeezer SlimGeezer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 14
Default

I'll certainly post a report.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-10-2019, 12:51 PM
chippygreen's Avatar
chippygreen chippygreen is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 168
Default

Hi everyone - I picked up acoustic guitar a couple of years ago after a long hiatus, but have a lovely "Salvation Army" Yamaha nylon that I get wonderful satisfaction out of when I play it. I love the mellow tone, feel of the strings, and the intimacy of the small body.

I am an occasional should-I-shouldn't-I casual shopper exactly in the Pavan TP-20/30 vs Cordoba C9/C10 vein of this thread and had a few questions.

Is there a third or fourth line of guitars I should add to my decision set (I see a shout out for a Hill World Player above).

Also, over the past two years I've gotten more familiar with how acoustic players describe their preferences (vintage vs. modern, fundamental vs overtone, clarity vs complexity). What are the similar tradeoffs in the nylon string world, and would players who have tried both Pavan, Cordoba and any other brand they suggest I try in this price range ($800-$1500 new) describe tonal variations?

Thanks for your thoughts!
__________________

2020 Michaud OM-R TBD (build)
2019 Bashkin OM-MS Swiss Moon/Guatemalan Rosewood (build)
2018 Michaud J-R Sitka/MBW
2018 Martin M-36 (R) Sitka/EIR
2017 Bashkin 00-12 Adirondack/Mahogany
2016 Bashkin GC-12 Sitka/Koa
2015 K. Yairi RF-120 Spruce/EIR
2013 Carter-Poulsen J Model German Select Spruce/Macassar Ebony
1979 Yamaha G-231 Cedar/Mahogany
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-14-2019, 08:10 PM
Rapido Eduwardo Rapido Eduwardo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Columbus, MS
Posts: 42
Smile

I have two Cordoba C-10's but no experience with Pavan. I bought a flawless C-10 cedar two years ago for $800 and a flawless C-10 spruce last year for $600. I am very happy with these. There is enough difference between the cedar and spruce to justify having both, so I don't regret either purchase. I bought both online so I realize that these purchases could easily gone south. But they didn't and I am a very happy man.
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Classical

Thread Tools



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:01 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=