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Anyway, so I played out again last night and was fighting with a PA that was too loud for the room (and style of music) and there was some offending low end rumble going on - at one point I was tuned to open D and the f# string was being set off by something in the system and was droning out... I think f# is around 200hz, which is a frequency I've noticed is quite dominant in my direct recordings of the K&K. After last night I started thinking again - what I need is a way to notch out something really bad, a way of combating excessive low end, and a sweepable mids to dial in the mid tone... Which again is pointing me towards the Grace preamps isn't it? I may have to eat my words and seriously look into one - although this started with the need for two EQ settings, I'm not sure I can justify the Felix (for starters I'd also need to look at a new pedal board if I wanted to incorporate my Bluesky into the mix as well), but I am looking at the Alix - as far as I can see this is basically a single channel Felix right? Obviously the issue with the Alix is I can't switch EQs for guitars on the fly and if I start adding stuff you're getting towards Felix pricing anyway... I think I need to have a serious think about how to move forward - one option is to simply return to using the Martin with the Anthem for potentially troublesome gigs and only take the Collings with the K&K out for those gigs which I think will have better sound - the problem there is you never know what the gig's going to throw at you regardless of how well you think it might go!
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This is the reason I don’t like the K&K and would rather use a UST with ToneDexter or the Anthem/Fishman VT Enhance.
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This would be going a different direction, but a Bose T1 mixer just might do the trick.
You can run a vocal mic plus two dedicated guitars, and a line level output device. I'm pretty sure that it has a K&k tone patch, and some for most of the other makes of pick ups. It also offers two separate levels of tone control for each channel a three band and a parametric notch control. Compression, Chorus, Tremelo, and Delay effects are also available on each channel, as well as reverb. The unit is very compact, and sounds great. |
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I am not a professional musician and I don’t play out that often. Maybe the simple set up you described with two different eq pedals into one switch box would be the most simple.
What about a small digital mixer with guitars in two different channels. I have done this before. Vocal in one channel panned left so the left output/vocal can go to the FOH. Then the guitars panned right going through the right output. Just mute whichever one you want. Endless eq options available here. Since the Para eq is digital, it probably has presets also. Maybe one A/B switch to feed both guitars into, single cable out to the Para eq and then just recall the preset when you decide which guitar you will use for each song. Save you from buying two Para eq. As I said, I am not playing out much anymore and all this might be easy at home and more complicated when playing out. Just my input. |
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Thanks for your contributions by the way folks - I know I've dismissed a few ideas but it's not to say I don't appreciate them, it's always food for thought when other people chip in, what a great resource pool we have here!
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Love the K&K and fire eye. Very natural
I heard the dexter, and it was too mechanical or digital sounding for me. |
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I bought mine about a year ago to expand my Bose L1c for duos. The T1 is much better and easier to use than I had expected. To me it sounds better than Behringer1202 and a H&A Zed10FX(cleaner and more effects) that I went through first before buying the T1. Very rugged build, with a small foot print that can be attached to a mic stand. The interface is very simple and clever with dedicated knobs for effect/eq adjustment, and the vocals and guitars sound great. Definitely worth a closer look. |
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Zoom A3 lets you save settings for each guitar and easily call them back up. It runs on batteries, which makes for a quick stage setup. It's not as high end as many of the options mentioned here but non the less, it's a good and reliable pedal. It's out of production but can still be found. The biggest complaint about it has been that the learning curve on how to use it is steep, in reality, it's not that bad.
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K&K offers a few add on options. An add-on preamp, the Pre-Phase Preamp and also the Pure Preamp. Both are matched to the K&K that you already have installed.
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JackOrion, have you considered the Source Audio Programmable EQ box? Four separately-programmable channels with volume and seven-band EQ. I use one on my board for three instruments - two guitars and mandolin - and have a channel set up for each, plus the fourth channel has the EQ set flat (just in case). Highly recommended.
https://www.sourceaudio.net/programmable-eq.html
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First off, congratulations on some very fine work. I enjoyed watching some of the stuff on your site. No doubt you have already learnt ... always beware of overly enthusiatic recommendations ... try before you buy if possible. You tried the GE7 and know what it does to your sound ... however, there are so many recommendations for the GE7 saying it is low noise and doesn't colour your sound and is the best EQ out there With that said ... here are a few more things to consider ... My main gigging guitar also has an Anthem SL and I run it through either a Baggs Venue or Radial PZ-Pre straight into AER C60. I use the XLR out from that for any desk. This setup never worked for me with K&K so I got rid of it in all my guitars. It doesn't work for me with the Baggs Lyric pickup either ... which also needs massive cuts to some nasty honky frequencies. I have 2 solutions that do work with this difficult pickup. Carl Martin ParaEQ is a simple to use parametric designed for acoustic instruments. I like it because it is super fast to dial in (not usual for a parametric EQ). It has fixed Q but the settings are the most usable I've found. It also has an XLR out you can send to a desk. AER Dual Para EQ is a fully parametric dual band EQ. It is super powerful at dialing out nastiness ... it's a bit slower to dial in than the Carl Martin because of the extra Q controls. It's the usual AER quality. I'd compare these to the Empress ParaEQ Hope that helps.
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At one point i was able to purchase 2 speck asc
eqs, for around 300 each used. These are 1/2 rack mount units and probably the nicest eqs i've ever used. I used one for my mandolin and one for my guitar. these are recording studio eqs. But they were in my rack for years and seem quite road worthy. But i eventually went with a felix And a pedal board so the rack stays home now . The kk is a great pickup but definitely requires Outboard eq of some type. I tried the tonedexter as well and like stated a few posts(uriah1) up found the sound too overprocessed and sterile. But it gets a lot of love here. Forums are a great place to ask questions and get opinions. They contain a very diverse group of well minded people of all levels of experience. I have found over the years that what one persons set of experiences may not be what others sets have been. An example would be someone who has plugged their guitar directly into a board who suddenly discovers a DI Box and will rave about brand x di box till the cows come home. This worked for them but may not be where you are at currently . I guess i am just cautioning about using a grain of salt. Last edited by varmonter; 06-18-2018 at 06:24 AM. |
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The programmability of this EQ is that you can save presets. However, it is still a standard graphic EQ which is not the best tool for dialing out unwanted frequencies. The frequency bands are hardwired and the Q factors often too low so that the bands overlap and if these settings are not exactly right it won't help much. The two really important frequencies - 400hz and 800hz - are not even catered for.
You might be lucky and find it works but you should try it first.
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The more I read this thread the more thankful I am that 6 months ago I sold ALL my pedals and bought a Helix. I haven’t looked back, not once. Multiple guitars, multiple pickups all needing EQ, different effects, etc. All situations covered by 1 Helix. What eventually got me was my dual source guitar, both needing EQ, and how expensive it was getting. 2 Eq pedals, mixer, verb, etc.
Comp, EQ, Reverb, Mod, lots of inputs/outputs, Presets... $1000 used... Helix. I should write a song about it, a jingle, something that gets stuck in your head. $1000 used... Helix.
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