The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > PLAY and Write

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 02-04-2019, 07:24 PM
Paddy1951 Paddy1951 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 1,759
Default Unusual Fingerstyle

I watched a documentary tonight about bluesman Mississippi Fred McDowell.

His playing style was somewhat unusual. Thumb pick and his index finger. No other fingers. Other blues artists were also shown and their fingerstyles were kind of all over the place.
I know Elizabeth Cotten's playing style was ridiculed at one point. She was also a two finger player.

This has me wondering.... Do any of you fingerstyle players routinely play with an unconventioal approach?

I admire those that make great music doing it as they chose.

I once saw an Irish player who used ALL of her fingers and her thumb. She was wonderful.

Whatever works... works, IMO.

So, any non-conventional fingerstylists?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-04-2019, 08:30 PM
TBman's Avatar
TBman TBman is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 35,828
Default

When I'm lazy I'll just do thumb and index. It's not a good habit to get into, at least not for me.
__________________
Barry

Sad Moments {Marianne Vedral cover}:


My SoundCloud page

Some steel strings, some nylon.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-04-2019, 09:07 PM
frankmcr frankmcr is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 5,336
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TBman View Post
When I'm lazy I'll just do thumb and index. It's not a good habit to get into, at least not for me.
Worked OK for Merle Travis.
__________________
stai scherzando?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-04-2019, 09:14 PM
62&climbing 62&climbing is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Northern burbs or the Twin Cities
Posts: 112
Default

I thought I once saw a John Prine interview where he claims he does the same thing... thumb and forefinger.
__________________
Seagul Coastline Folk Cedar
Taylor 512CE
Yamaha LL16 ARE
Taylor T5Z
Big Muddy Mandolin-Ziricote b&s
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-04-2019, 09:34 PM
Sloplay Sloplay is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 94
Default

Hi. I fingerpick using only thumb and index; I have nerve damage that just seems to get in the way of using middle and ring fingers. It usually works out ok, just have to figure out different ways of picking strings.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-04-2019, 09:36 PM
Dino Silone Dino Silone is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Northern New Jersey, NYC Metro Area
Posts: 203
Default

I first learned thumb and two finger Piedmont style, but also do thumb and index as well, depending on what I’m playing - sometimes that’s the most natural way to get the feel right. Some other famous thumb and one finger players include Magic Sam, Doc Watson (though he was mostly known for flat-picking), Reverend Gary Davis, Wild Jimmy Spruill, and lots of others.

Elizabeth Cotten had a “strange” style because she was left-handed, and learned to play on right-handed guitars, so she learned to play upside down. Her index finger did the thumb part, and the thumb did the index finger part. Weird or not, I love listening to and playing her stuff (though I play it right-handed, and usually use thumb and two fingers, just because I figured out how to play her stuff by listening, so did it using the techniques I was most comfortable with.)

I don’t know that I’d call these styles “weird” - they’re traditional country blues styles. There are a number of distinct styles, all different, though some players are hard to put into one of the bins. (Like Mississippi John Hurt, who was billed as a Delta bluesman, though his style wasn’t remotely Delta. He used thumb and two fingers.) I think it was Stefan Grossman who said that you can’t get a real blues feel if you use thumb and three fingers, “fingerstyle”.

In fact, modern thumb and three finger “fingerstyle” is only one of many flavors of fingerpicking, and not common in traditional American folk and blues styles. So maybe it’s the weird one? Or maybe it’s just all good...
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-04-2019, 11:06 PM
lar lar is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: san diego
Posts: 906
Default

If you like unconventional you might be interested in this thread:

https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/...d.php?t=532809
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-05-2019, 06:44 PM
Pitar Pitar is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,129
Default

I use all 5. Self taught, young, emboldened with enthusiasm and desire to play (but little actual knowledge of how) I thought playing with all 5 was the proper way to go. I did not think to question myself or seek any formal guidance whether in print or in person. I just bought a guitar, a book of chords and started in with all 5 moving.

Then I discovered the various patterns and dynamics of finger picking and modified my picking as needed. Sometimes I use three, sometimes all, sometimes a mixed bag, and always needs-dependent.

I will state to the curious that using 5 isn't without compromise. The little finger does not have the same power as the other fingers so be kind to yourselves and don't expect a balanced hand when attempting to bring all 5 to an aggressive piece. That's better accomplished by adapting the hand to us 4.

I will also state that the thumb pick is your friend. It will initially challenge your pride all the while putting a hurt on your thumb. But, with patience and a small measure of fortitude you will gain deft use of it and never again play without it.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-05-2019, 07:58 PM
TBman's Avatar
TBman TBman is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 35,828
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by frankmcr View Post
Worked OK for Merle Travis.
That's nice. What does that have to do with what works best for me?
__________________
Barry

Sad Moments {Marianne Vedral cover}:


My SoundCloud page

Some steel strings, some nylon.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-05-2019, 08:09 PM
ceciltguitar ceciltguitar is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,314
Default

My right hand technique is frequently closer to traditional classical guitar technique than anything else.

I also use some flamenco techniques that I learned from a year of studying the basics of flamenco with a flamenco guitarist.

I also flatpick with my index (plastic, crazy glue and Swiss Silk reinforced) fingernail, by holding my thumb and finger as if holding a flatpick.

Since studying both hand anatomy and the sensory and motor homunculi, and noting all that Django Reinhardt achieved with just 2 fingers on his left hand, I have consciously shifted to aiming for naturally doing more with less with both hands, which for the right hand means using the ring finger and pinky less. Works well for me.

Sometimes I use only thumb and index finger, usually using the index finger to strum both down and up strokes, which may sometimes be embellished with rasguedo like strums.

I could go on. But, really, one of the nice things about the guitar is that you can do anything that you can imagine, and that there are players all over the world using all kinds of right and left hand techniques for wonderful musical effects.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-05-2019, 08:31 PM
DungBeatle DungBeatle is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Idaho
Posts: 324
Default

I use all five but I am mostly using thumb for bass notes and the other four play the back beat with a few very simple fills thrown in every now and then. Guitar is just for background when singing, I can't play the guitar like I play piano.
~Bob
__________________
Some stuff...
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-05-2019, 10:38 PM
frankmcr frankmcr is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 5,336
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TBman View Post
When I'm lazy I'll just do thumb and index. It's not a good habit to get into, at least not for me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by frankmcr View Post
Worked OK for Merle Travis.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TBman View Post
That's nice. What does that have to do with what works best for me?

Thought some response was needed to the assertions that playing with just thumb & index was "lazy" and "not a good habit to get into".

Those claims come across far more emphatically than the half-hearted ("at least...") disclaimer at the end.
__________________
stai scherzando?
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-05-2019, 11:38 PM
TBman's Avatar
TBman TBman is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 35,828
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by frankmcr View Post
Thought some response was needed to the assertions that playing with just thumb & index was "lazy" and "not a good habit to get into".

Those claims come across far more emphatically than the half-hearted ("at least...") disclaimer at the end.
Quote:
When I'm lazy I'll just do thumb and index. It's not a good habit to get into, at least not for me.
How's that, better?
__________________
Barry

Sad Moments {Marianne Vedral cover}:


My SoundCloud page

Some steel strings, some nylon.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-06-2019, 06:26 AM
JonPR JonPR is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 6,450
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy1951 View Post
I watched a documentary tonight about bluesman Mississippi Fred McDowell.

His playing style was somewhat unusual. Thumb pick and his index finger. No other fingers. Other blues artists were also shown and their fingerstyles were kind of all over the place.
I know Elizabeth Cotten's playing style was ridiculed at one point. She was also a two finger player.
Well the main thing that made her unusual was playing the guitar upside down! Bass strings on the bottom, played with the index, thumb for the melodies. That's really unconventional. (Although only an idiot would ridicule her for it.)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy1951 View Post
This has me wondering.... Do any of you fingerstyle players routinely play with an unconventioal approach?
What's a "conventional" approach? You mean classical p-i-m-a orthodoxy? You would use that if you were taught it.
Otherwise, self-taught players will each go with what feels natural. It's pretty intuitive to play the bass strings with your thumb and the others with at least one finger. How many fingers you use would depend (a) on how many notes you need to play at any one time, and (b) on whether you find it quicker to alternate fingers or play everything with just one.

IOW, common practices among self-taught fingerpickers will gravitate to certain obvious techniques (practical, ergonomic), but with plenty of personal variation within those.
The great Merle Travis, e.g., only used thumb and index. Middle ring and pinky were anchored on the scratchplate all the time.
I suspect most of us (like most of those old blues players) mostly use thumb index and middle, maybe with ring (or even pinky) as a spare.

Personally, my main fingers are thumb, middle and ring, with index as spare. I started out that way because, when resting my wrist by the bridge, my middle and ring fingers reached the strings more easily than my index.
__________________
"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in." - Leonard Cohen.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-09-2019, 08:59 AM
Paddy1951 Paddy1951 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 1,759
Default

Thanks for all the responses. Your accounts of how you approach fingerstyle, has been very informative.

I am not, primarily, a fingerstyle player, so hearing about all the different ways gives me food for thought how I might play.
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > PLAY and Write

Thread Tools





All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=