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Beer me! Last edited by mondoslug; 05-24-2023 at 09:08 PM. |
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I'm not referring to your room statement, I'm referring to the first thing people say is you need room treatment over a better mic. Which I disagree with. Most $100 mics, especially bargain condensers just sound overly bright to me and harsh in the high end, and they aren't going to sound good in any room! And I think a few hundred dollar upgrade might be better, especially if with careful used mic buying you can get into something like a $500 mic. And what I mean by less than stellar room is any room that is overly problematic with reflections. I carry portable gobos when I hit rooms that are really bad. And for me that will mean I can use better mics. |
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TREATMENT FIRST! GEAR SECOND!
Aloha gman,
I agree 100% with Rockabilly & everyone else who told you to treat your space first before you buy or even discuss ANY new mic or gear. Otherwise, you'll be throwing away your money & wasting your time, like I did before I committed to adequate Room Treatment. Make some (4-9) portable - not permanent, 4"x2'x4', free-standing, broadband absorbers for yourself. Then give your AT 2020's another listen. It might shock you when hear them in a treated space, the huge improvement. Also, you can store portable gobo's when not in use. They work great in every space! Here's how to save money on making DIY gobo's: https://www.homebrewedmusic.com/2009...-on-the-cheap/ Check out all the info above RE: ROOM TREATMENT, the most important part of recording, IMO. You MUST treat your space first with that $300 budget. One last thing: it's not the mic alone to consider. It's using the right mic in a planned, complementary signal chain of equal-valued parts. Mic's must be paired to the right mic preamps in particular. Treat First! Good Luck, gman. alohachris PS: The best Under-$300 mic I've used is a vocal dynamic mic, the Heil PR 35. Otherwise, buy a used condenser mic (like the great AKG 535 vocal condenser, often $150 bucks used). Or, save up for SDC mic's closer to $1000. But absolutely - Spend $ on Room Treatment FIRST -alohachris- Last edited by alohachris; 05-24-2023 at 10:03 PM. |
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Yes & of course. Compared? Yeah, one engineer used the same type mic at a couple of different studios although it was a pair of them so not exactly the same thing & also not the same pres. I compare stuff all the time. Again, I'm not arguing treated space vs not a great room. I'm saying not to be afraid to upgrade the gear over spending money on room treatment first. It just depends. |
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My first LDC was a Studio Projects C1 and frankly it pretty marginal and kinda shrill in the highs in my untreated basement space.t So I go 8 GIK panels 4 bass traps and 4 broad band and it was a bit better but still a bit harsh in the highs. So very quickly after that I got a Shure KSM 44 and with that and the room treatment it started gettin' fun...
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Did you treat your space and find you had no improvement? If so, what treatment did you use and how did you arrange it?
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I appreciate your question but I’m not looking to get into that here. I only have a few posts on this topic and they haven’t had anything to do regarding my place improving with treatment or not. I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt that said… and repeating myself, again...of course it all depends on what the gear is, the room, your chops, etc. there's always exceptions to everything... but in general - I disagreed with the premise that you should spend the money on treating your room first before upgrading the gear. |
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I think for beginners making a few gobos would be the ticket. They don't cost much to make, and there's plenty of DIY videos out there in youtube land. |
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As I've and others have said before in this forum, given the choice between a bad room and great gear or a great room and mediocre gear, I'd choose the latter every time.
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That's fine, I simply have never been a fan of the ultimatum, treat your room first before you upgrade gear. |
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It's just sound advice (and that pun could not have been more on purpose).
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Interesting I guess it's a matter of perspective.
I was not aware that by definition , any "ultimatum" was even possible on a recording discussion forum While something like a spouse saying "Buy one more guitar and we are getting divorced" sounds like an ultimatum "treat your room before upgrading gear " just sounds like a reasonable suggestion YMMV
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Sometimes a bit of drama spices up the day --s'all good
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