The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Custom Shop

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #31  
Old 11-08-2010, 06:10 PM
dekutree64 dekutree64 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
Posts: 1,263
Default

Awesome! I've been looking forward to this build ever since that ABW set popped up on OLF (that was me who owned it for a second). I'll definitely try to make it out to Healdsburg to hear this guitar in person A wood combo I hope to build myself one day.

The ivory bridge is gorgeous, and will look great on that top. I too like the Somogyi scoop design... but I hope you checked with him before copying it.

And I'll second the suggestion for a maple neck, mahogany seems a bit out of place in the color scheme. Port Orford Cedar might look even better, as it has a sort of ivory-like sheen to it. But possibly a little too light weight to offset the blackwood body.

Looking forward to more progress updates!
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 11-08-2010, 06:40 PM
JohnM JohnM is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,631
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dekutree64 View Post
Awesome! I've been looking forward to this build ever since that ABW set popped up on OLF (that was me who owned it for a second). I'll definitely try to make it out to Healdsburg to hear this guitar in person A wood combo I hope to build myself one day.

The ivory bridge is gorgeous, and will look great on that top. I too like the Somogyi scoop design... but I hope you checked with him before copying it.

And I'll second the suggestion for a maple neck, mahogany seems a bit out of place in the color scheme. Port Orford Cedar might look even better, as it has a sort of ivory-like sheen to it. But possibly a little too light weight to offset the blackwood body.

Looking forward to more progress updates!
Thanks.

the bridge is not a straight up copy of Ervins work. The footprint is different. The scoops are different. There are no points on mine. His is larger than mine. His saddle is wider than mine. Mine is a bit taller than his. Basically I took my footprint and design of my original belly bridge and only added the scoops an idea I got from Ervin then modified to my liking, and have given him credit. Even though our scoops are different in size, shape, and cross section his design had an influence but I had/have no desire to outright copy any design.

RE the neck.. I will not, for sure, use Port O cedar for the neck. I dislike it in general, and it's not what I look for in looks, durability, or mass. Still up in the air about the maple.

Last edited by JohnM; 11-08-2010 at 10:03 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 11-08-2010, 09:51 PM
ncognito1 ncognito1 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Putnam County, NY
Posts: 247
Default

Hi, John--

Your new bridge design is very beautiful. Would you mind elaborating as to the wider saddle slot for compensation/ intonation and practically how that is achieved? Is this a different tact than usual for you given the different bridge material?

DAVE
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 11-08-2010, 10:02 PM
JohnM JohnM is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,631
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ncognito1 View Post
Hi, John--

Your new bridge design is very beautiful. Would you mind elaborating as to the wider saddle slot for compensation/ intonation and practically how that is achieved? Is this a different tact than usual for you given the different bridge material?

DAVE
Dave,

Sure and thanks for the nice words. If you think about an electric guitar it has a moveable saddle. Normally 6 individual pieces (like a strat for instance) or some have three moveable pieces that sometimes angled sometimes not, but still adjustable (like a tele for instance). The purpose of these saddle pieces is so that the length of the string can be changed so that it will intonate properly given the tension, gauge, action ect. On the steel string guitar we have fixed saddles for the most part (aside from the horrid Gibson saddles) To set the proper intonation we need to carve a "break point" or a point on the saddle that gives a definite end to the string length. While it is perfectly acceptable to use a more narrow saddle like a 3/32" (as found on Martins) or a 1/8" (as found on many many guitars) the wider the saddle is the more surface area you'll have to dial in that intonation. So the shift to a slightly wider saddle slot/saddle was for ease of dialing in intonation. Hope that makes sense.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 11-09-2010, 08:43 PM
SuperB23 SuperB23 is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 5,134
Default

When you say Black & White Eureka are you planning on finishing the top in black with the white ivory bridge? Like those Martin Reversed guitars.
__________________
Crazy guitar nut in search of the best sounding guitars built today and yesterday.

High End Guitar Review Videos.
www.youtube.com/user/rockinb23
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 11-09-2010, 08:46 PM
JohnM JohnM is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,631
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperB23 View Post
When you say Black & White Eureka are you planning on finishing the top in black with the white ivory bridge? Like those Martin Reversed guitars.
No. It's going to be all natural. Just that almost all the woods are either a very dark/black color or a very light maple/white color.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 12-01-2010, 11:39 PM
Jeff D Jeff D is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Huntsville, Bama
Posts: 923
Default

What has been happening with this guitar? I've loved the concept and would like to see more and hear more about it.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 12-04-2010, 12:09 PM
JohnM JohnM is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,631
Default

Thanks for reminding me!

I've got some updates. I've been finishing off some customers guitars so they take priority but hopefully I'll have some more free time to work on this too. I've made some progress, but not a bunch. Pics coming soon-ish.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 12-04-2010, 07:31 PM
KolayaGuitars KolayaGuitars is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 637
Default

really john, that bridge is pretty sweet, the possibilities for making ideas come alive with CNC is amazing, i really need one. well done on the design, i really like it
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 12-04-2010, 07:41 PM
Jeff D Jeff D is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Huntsville, Bama
Posts: 923
Default

Awesome! Thanks John!
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 01-10-2011, 12:09 PM
JohnM JohnM is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,631
Default

Ok so starting back in with the updates. I've been working on this one sparingly, as I've had other customers guitars to finish off. I've cleared out 4 in the past week so time to start chipping away on this guy again. Here are a few pictures of the top and back being glued, and the fingerboard with accent purling installed (but not sanded smooth)

I debated on cutting out the sap wood as I normally dislike that, but at the last minute I decide to leave it. Heck it is "white" colored more or less, and I think it will fit the theme.





Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 01-12-2011, 12:23 PM
SuperB23 SuperB23 is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 5,134
Default

That Fretboard is sweet!! I always kind of regretted not getting African Blackwood on my MJ-55 for the bridge and fretboard. I don't think I realized it was an option back when I ordered it though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnM View Post
Ok so starting back in with the updates. I've been working on this one sparingly, as I've had other customers guitars to finish off. I've cleared out 4 in the past week so time to start chipping away on this guy again. Here are a few pictures of the top and back being glued, and the fingerboard with accent purling installed (but not sanded smooth)

I debated on cutting out the sap wood as I normally dislike that, but at the last minute I decide to leave it. Heck it is "white" colored more or less, and I think it will fit the theme.





__________________
Crazy guitar nut in search of the best sounding guitars built today and yesterday.

High End Guitar Review Videos.
www.youtube.com/user/rockinb23
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 01-16-2011, 03:48 PM
MikeD's Avatar
MikeD MikeD is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: New England
Posts: 2,220
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TaoMaas View Post
I'm one who tends to say, "Change the headstock as much as you want, but leave the bridge alone!" It just seems like so many bridge designs offer nothing over the old traditional style. But, dude...that bridge rocks! Traditional with a touch of flair! Very nice!
Where did you get the idea for the bridge design? It looks pretty similar to Mario Beauregard's bridge design...
__________________
We can share the woman, we can share the wine...
_____________________
Suggestions 1:1
Slackers 1:51-52
FSM
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 01-16-2011, 04:36 PM
JohnM JohnM is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,631
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD View Post
Where did you get the idea for the bridge design? It looks pretty similar to Mario Beauregard's bridge design...
The bridge design is the same footprint I've used on my guitars for around 12 years now. The scoop idea came from Ervin Somogyi (Mario trained with Ervin so he most likely drew some influence from him as well) , although I altered it to not be just like his. I wasn't aware of Mario's design until just recently. I didn't realize he built anything other archtops (and they are marvelous! Everyone should check them out). I did, however, give him a post design credit for influence because even though his work was not directly a contributor in my design they do look somewhat similar and I wanted to be fair to Mario.

So in short it's my design with some Somogyi influence. All this I mention in the 2nd post of the thread.

Last edited by JohnM; 01-16-2011 at 04:55 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 01-21-2011, 01:46 AM
JohnM JohnM is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,631
Default

Time for the rosette.

On these new models I wanted to do something special to kick them off right. I 'm going to be doing 5 models with similar rosettes. Some are going to feature inlay by some of the worlds best inlay artists and this one is going to feature scrimshaw. the process below shows my procedure for installing the rosette and the "medallion".

The purfling is a tiny bit different than my normal purfling. It's .010 black fiber on both sides of a .040 lightly curly maple center.

The pearl is Black Tahitian pearl. It's "zipflex" created by Kevin Ryan. Wonderful stuff.

Main rings of rosette being cut



Medallion section drilled



Dry fitting, and mitering the purfling to fit the curves.



Pieces cut and ready to install



Main parts glued in. Inner ring still needs fitting and gluing



Rosette Sanded flush. Shellac spraying on top to help protect during building.

Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Custom Shop

Thread Tools





All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=