#1
|
||||
|
||||
The 3rd voicing...
A while ago I was putting some of Andrew York's compositions into Guitar Pro so I would have tab along with notation. I discovered that there were some measures that didn't work out timing wise. Usually there is either just one voicing or two (1 for treble, and sometimes the other is the bass). So I sort of forced things to work, but it didn't sound exactly right on play back. Then I realized I needed to use 3 voicings for some measures to work. That was it.
"Why" and "By Candle Light" are two arrangements that I had to use 3 voicings. I thought I would share this info in case some are like me and were scratching their heads about it
__________________
Barry My SoundCloud page Avalon L-320C, Guild D-120, Martin D-16GT, McIlroy A20, Pellerin SJ CW Cordobas - C5, Fusion 12 Orchestra, C12, Stage Traditional Alvarez AP66SB, Seagull Folk Aria {Johann Logy}: |
#2
|
||||
|
||||
Curious as to what you were thinking so checked out "By Candle Light"
online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRL9PgJSvtg https://www.tabcrawler.com/1966609// (not my tab, just saw it on the internet) Seems pretty straight forward piece to tab out two voiced and with time signature and note values indicated.
__________________
Derek Coombs Youtube -> Website -> Music -> Tabs Guitars by Mark Blanchard, Albert&Mueller, Paul Woolson, Collings, Composite Acoustics, and Derek Coombs "Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Woods hands pick by eye and ear
Made to one with pride and love To be that we hold so dear A voice from heavens above Last edited by rick-slo; 03-16-2024 at 10:45 PM. Reason: more info added |
#3
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
Barry My SoundCloud page Avalon L-320C, Guild D-120, Martin D-16GT, McIlroy A20, Pellerin SJ CW Cordobas - C5, Fusion 12 Orchestra, C12, Stage Traditional Alvarez AP66SB, Seagull Folk Aria {Johann Logy}: |
#4
|
||||
|
||||
Not interested but it is a simple piece.
If note durations seem to throw you here you can use musical terms in your score. In this piece you might indicate "Let ring" (lasciare suonare) indicating essentially to allow the sound to continue, do not damp. I use the term fairly often in tabs.
__________________
Derek Coombs Youtube -> Website -> Music -> Tabs Guitars by Mark Blanchard, Albert&Mueller, Paul Woolson, Collings, Composite Acoustics, and Derek Coombs "Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Woods hands pick by eye and ear
Made to one with pride and love To be that we hold so dear A voice from heavens above |
#5
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
Barry My SoundCloud page Avalon L-320C, Guild D-120, Martin D-16GT, McIlroy A20, Pellerin SJ CW Cordobas - C5, Fusion 12 Orchestra, C12, Stage Traditional Alvarez AP66SB, Seagull Folk Aria {Johann Logy}: |
#6
|
||||
|
||||
I tabbed out first few measures of "By Candle Light" using just one voice using a tied note from measure four to five. Of course you could use two voices
(treble and bass) to tab it out but then are rest indications to deal with and overall possibly less easy to sight read for a simple tune like this one.
__________________
Derek Coombs Youtube -> Website -> Music -> Tabs Guitars by Mark Blanchard, Albert&Mueller, Paul Woolson, Collings, Composite Acoustics, and Derek Coombs "Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Woods hands pick by eye and ear
Made to one with pride and love To be that we hold so dear A voice from heavens above |
#7
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
Barry My SoundCloud page Avalon L-320C, Guild D-120, Martin D-16GT, McIlroy A20, Pellerin SJ CW Cordobas - C5, Fusion 12 Orchestra, C12, Stage Traditional Alvarez AP66SB, Seagull Folk Aria {Johann Logy}: |
#8
|
||||
|
||||
More than one way to tab it and come up with the same notes played. Just tried to show you three voices not needed. He chose two voices (which is probably the standard way of doing things (even though not necessary other than greater indication of note durations (not strictly correct in his two voice version either)) and a bunch of rests and chose to indicate key of G# minor. I chose to use D# minor which seems more correct to my ears (neither in any case relies on accidentals in the sections shown). One does get into more voices when scouring out multiple instruments.
__________________
Derek Coombs Youtube -> Website -> Music -> Tabs Guitars by Mark Blanchard, Albert&Mueller, Paul Woolson, Collings, Composite Acoustics, and Derek Coombs "Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Woods hands pick by eye and ear
Made to one with pride and love To be that we hold so dear A voice from heavens above Last edited by rick-slo; 03-17-2024 at 10:49 AM. |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
Man, you guys really like to over-complicate things
Not only that, but it looks like important stuff is being left out in the process. One thing about Andrew York's music if you purchase it. It's all laid out in front of you, meticulously, as he intended. No guessing, or missing anything. With all the right guitar fingerings, dynamics and all the compositional markings. And he often does use multiple voices. This is a Largo, with a haunting feel. The pulse is really the half-note. The voice you found Barry in the 4th measure is the melody coming in. I circled it. Have a look how simply, and completely, he lays it all out! It's all there!!! TAB is not a good way to go with his music. You risk leaving too much out. (IMO).
__________________
Best regards, Andre Golf is pretty simple. It's just not that easy. - Paul Azinger "It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so." – Mark Twain http://www.youtube.com/user/Gitfiddlemann |
#10
|
||||
|
||||
Not really. Most tab done these days (as here in this thread) has the music score in standard notation right along with it. On guitar pieces at least in terms of learning to play it as the composer intended having the tab is often more informative than just standard notation due to indications of string and fret to be used. There are other advantages of tab but fingering is the main one.
__________________
Derek Coombs Youtube -> Website -> Music -> Tabs Guitars by Mark Blanchard, Albert&Mueller, Paul Woolson, Collings, Composite Acoustics, and Derek Coombs "Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Woods hands pick by eye and ear
Made to one with pride and love To be that we hold so dear A voice from heavens above |
#11
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
Barry My SoundCloud page Avalon L-320C, Guild D-120, Martin D-16GT, McIlroy A20, Pellerin SJ CW Cordobas - C5, Fusion 12 Orchestra, C12, Stage Traditional Alvarez AP66SB, Seagull Folk Aria {Johann Logy}: |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Even if you make the argument that both TAB and notation are shown, it can't be helpful to the player if the info shown ends up being conflicting, or at best incomplete, when looking at both as you're trying to play it. I think having just the notation, or just the TAB, would be less confusing to me. And less busy. The TAB would be likely incomplete, but one can always get a listen to the piece, and piece it together that way. Whatever works. In the end, that's all that matters. I think we can probably agree on that!
__________________
Best regards, Andre Golf is pretty simple. It's just not that easy. - Paul Azinger "It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so." – Mark Twain http://www.youtube.com/user/Gitfiddlemann |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Obviously, no problem if that's how you prefer to do things!
__________________
Best regards, Andre Golf is pretty simple. It's just not that easy. - Paul Azinger "It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so." – Mark Twain http://www.youtube.com/user/Gitfiddlemann |
#14
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
I'm retired now and I should really take the time to do so, thanks for the kick in the butt. Maybe this is a good wake up call for me.
__________________
Barry My SoundCloud page Avalon L-320C, Guild D-120, Martin D-16GT, McIlroy A20, Pellerin SJ CW Cordobas - C5, Fusion 12 Orchestra, C12, Stage Traditional Alvarez AP66SB, Seagull Folk Aria {Johann Logy}: |
#15
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
he needed to use three voices to get the timing right and I showed even one voice would do. Both standard notation and tab together can contribute to learning a new piece correctly and faster. Probably for my first few decades learning guitar pieces (classical mostly) I just used guitar scores in standard notation. Not a problem though I do think a good tab along with the score sometimes useful. Finger notation can be used in tab as well as standard (usually the a-b-i type way) though usually pretty self evident what to do without it. In the tab and standard notation for things I compose arrange the timing incidations can in some pieces be the most time consuming part of it. I am usually working up some new pieces and noting down progress as i go along is a better bet than just my memory. One example is https://www.dcoombsguitar.com/Guitar...NightBlues.pdf Again regarding timing indications in guitar music (especially compared to something like a flute) the note duration values given many notes in tab or standard notation almost has to be incorrect (visual clutter otherwise) - say a C chord arpeggio for example.
__________________
Derek Coombs Youtube -> Website -> Music -> Tabs Guitars by Mark Blanchard, Albert&Mueller, Paul Woolson, Collings, Composite Acoustics, and Derek Coombs "Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Woods hands pick by eye and ear
Made to one with pride and love To be that we hold so dear A voice from heavens above |